23-31 WM: Great Str I, Great Str II, Armor Skin*, Imp Crit Greataxe*
32 Rogue
33-37 WM: Great Str III, Epic Prowess*, Great Str IV, EWF Greataxe*
38-40 Monk: ESF: Listen
* = Weapon Master Bonus Feat
I think this build has more potential. It was meant for PvP in a high magic +5/+5 world.
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 04/29/09 11:14
Tidy up the builds as pr the Guild rules. You've been here long enough to find them.
Otherwise I'll delete the thread within the week.
Thank you. _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
It'ld probably be better off if you replace Grt Str III with Epic Fort or ESF: Disc, and Grt Str IV with one of the WM Bonus Feats, drop WM 2 lvls and take Monk up to 20.
Permanent mind immunity is well worth losing 1 AB/DMG no matter how you look at it.
Edited By Revenant Mattlov on 03/20/09 03:44
Out of curiosity, why go monk and focus on greataxe?
Since you are Str-based, you would have better AC by dropping Monk for some Fighter and more WM, and wearing heavy armor. You can get the Tumble dumps from Rogue. You aren't getting the monk APR schedule with greataxe, so the only things you really gain from it are good saves and Empty Body. If you really want the saves, go with Rogue/CoT/WM.
Out of curiosity, why go monk and focus on greataxe?
Since you are Str-based, you would have better AC by dropping Monk for some Fighter and more WM, and wearing heavy armor. You can get the Tumble dumps from Rogue. You aren't getting the monk APR schedule with greataxe, so the only things you really gain from it are good saves and Empty Body. If you really want the saves, go with Rogue/CoT/WM.
TM
You don't get the APR of a Unarmed/Kama Monk, but you still have immense movement speed bonuses to compensate for low AC then change the skills around a bit for Hide/MS and you can abuse corners/sight obstructions to get people flat footed
To be honest it was all pretty and up to standard, then I hit the back button and I tried to go forward and BAM all gone.
I'll see what I can do, I think I made this build have 3 more ab but i'm not sure. Will tidy up though.
Originally this guy used an axe. Then I looked at him again and thought, if I wait a few levels I can get Weapon Proficiency: Exotic and use a scythe. The greataxe and the scythe have the same crit range so I'm gaining more damage and crit x5 O.o
Race: Human
STR: 18/32 All 10 points + Great Str IV DEX: 14 CON: 8 WIS: 10 INT: 14 CHA: 8
The stat spread is optimized for the best performance. You NEED at least 13 Dex and 13 Int to be a WM. I don't like odd numbers on my stats :P
Skills Disc 43 Listen 44 Tumble 40 UMD 35 Heal 30 Rest into whatever you want. I chose Concentration and some Open Lock.
This is NOT a solo PvPer.
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 04/02/09 15:41
I wonder if rogue is the best option for this guy. Monk and rogue have very similar skill sets (minus umd) and i wonder if the d6 of sneak damage is worth it... this is only a wondering so take it for what its worth, cuz what you have is very doable and is solid. Why not go for 22 wm (loose 2 rogue). Or go 22wm, with monk 17 and sd1? HIPS could be a very interesting addition to a strength scyther. You would loose umd though, so really i am just rambling here. _________________
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Monks don't get uncanny dodge so that's the reason for the 2 rogue levels. I'm usually being ganked when I PvP, so I need to retain as much AC as possible.
Plus the UMD is a HUGE factor when you're soloing or PvPing, assuming you have access to scrolls.
Do I really need monk 18? No, but when your Imp Invis gets dispelled, I like to rely on Empty Body.
You should probably switch the rogue levels to assassin levels instead then. Rogues get uncanny dodge on level 3.
or just drop a level of WM for a 3rd level of Rogue.
Actually, do you lose 1 ab if you go WM 19? This build was to maximize ab, even if it means by 1 point.
And the reason for 2 rogue was to take advantage of a higher UMD score. I was thinking about my other build when I put 2 rog for uncanny.
Quote: Posted 04/02/09 14:05 (GMT) -- Ryouko_
Actually, do you lose 1 ab if you go WM 19? This build was to maximize ab, even if it means by 1 point.
And the reason for 2 rogue was to take advantage of a higher UMD score. I was thinking about my other build when I put 2 rog for uncanny.
You won't lose AB for that. Epic levels do not use class AB progressions.
So how does that work exactly?
How does ab progression work?
You have 3 types of progression: low (1ab/2 lvls) this is what wiz/sorc types get mid (3ab/4 lvls) this is what clerics/bards get high (1ab/lv) this is what fighter types get
This ONLY applies up to level 20. After level 20, ALL classes are equal with respect to AB progression. THe EPIC progression is 1ab/2 lvls. That is how we get a max of 30 ab at lv 40 with fighter classes.
So, because you are loosing 1 wm (high) in epic for a mid lvl, it makes no difference to the AB.
NOW, WM has its own AB progression bonus lv 10+. Every 3 wm lvls you get +1 ab, so taking 19 vs 20 is not a loss to ab, as well.
Hope that is what you wanted to know. _________________
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Well, that does make a lot of sense.
However, I was under the impression you get +1 ab for every 5 levels of wm, hence the 20. I confused it with the AA then I think.
I appreciate all the feedback.
Quote: Posted 04/04/09 05:03 (GMT) -- Ryouko_
Well, that does make a lot of sense.
However, I was under the impression you get +1 ab for every 5 levels of wm, hence the 20. I confused it with the AA then I think.
AA's get an increase every other level. No, what you probably got it confused with is that the WM's first AB increase is at Level 5, and then nothing happens again until Level 13, where it then begins a logical progression of every 3 levels. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
However, I was under the impression you get +1 ab for every 5 levels of wm, hence the 20. I confused it with the AA then I think.
AA's get an increase every other level. No, what you probably got it confused with is that the WM's first AB increase is at Level 5, and then nothing happens again until Level 13, where it then begins a logical progression of every 3 levels.
actually, he might have made the mistake of reading the manual. IIRC it states there that he gains +1 AB with WoC every 5th lvl in epic. _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
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Anyone know if there's an updated one?
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CURSE THE MANUAL!
Anyone know if there's an updated one?
Try the Grimoire on the vault or the nwn wiki.
By taking some WM levels pre-epic will help for AB, but I guess you wont be able to meet WM reqs
To be honest it was all pretty and up to standard, then I hit the back button and I tried to go forward and BAM all gone.