A battalion of purple dragon troops entered the city of Alacast, with silver and green dragons flying above in an arrowhead formation. Scanning the city with troops on their backs the dragons acted as search and rescue teams, to find survivors of the Great War.
The Dark Lords “Hellfire” spell had burned other cities to the ground in one casting and killed so many that even the resurrected Lord of Murder Baal, was disgusted at the action and sent his Blood Army to the mortal realm.
The Blood Army commander, did not sit back and watch his allies search for survivors, instead the monstrous Orc was usually found within the ranks of search and rescue personal, trying to find anyone that could have survived the devastating magical assault.
Today was no exception, and when he bellowed for clerics to assist him, the veteran clerics rushed to his side.
“Save this man or get 100 lashes of the whip by sundown. This man MUST survive at all costs….is this clear?” The giant Orc turned to stride away but was stopped by a young cleric new to her apprenticeship.
“My lord, you call for powerful forces to aide this man, forces reserved usually for our own troops……what troubles you my lord Krall, please speak of it.”
The elder cleric’s feared for the life of their student and attempted to quiet her with a stern look. The huge Orc turned to the young woman and spoke with such fury the elder clerics trembled with fear….
“If it was anyone but you questioning my orders Misty, I would give you the hundred lashes myself. Since it is you, know this truth…that man is my blood sworn brother and only human to have ever served in Baal’s Blood Army.”
White as a sheet, Misty replied “It shall be done my lord Krall”
The small sun elf woman lifted the flail to the giant Orc and averted her eyes. His hand brushed against hers and he whispered “these fools get the Lash; you will get 1 thousand gold for recovery of this weapon.”
“My lord, this is a simple weapon of no value. I have no right to receive gold.” “It looks simple my dear little one but it has hidden power. This Blood Flail was forged by my masters own hand”
The giant Orc strode away, leaving the elder clerics fearing the lash and one tiny sun elf apprentice cleric, speechless.
Night was ushered in with sounds of clerics being lashed and the blood curdling cries of a sorrowful Blood Orc, howling for his lost blood brother. A simple weapon, would mark the fates of all those that crossed its path………
1* Untested as yet in PVP. 2* Half Orc can take this build but has approx 80 less skill points. 3* Freaky voice set, suits the destructive monster perfectly. 4* Consult the appropriate section for weapon of testing. 5* For All Amour results, please consult the marked section below.
The Destroyer (PW built, my test weapon) (+47/+42/+37/+32) Attack bonus+6 Enhancement+6 Bonus damage, divine 2d10, positive energy 2d10, sonic 2d10, keen, Massive critical 2d 8 Vampire regen+6
***Wish List***
Any amour item, body or otherwise that removes the spell failure penalties, or halves the penalty cost to the player “driving” the character. A true sight helm, to catch any little critter, that tries (and usually fails) to hide from the Barbarian skills. Any Items, that drive up INT, WIS and CHA or ALL 3 at once.
***History***
This has taken me about 2 weeks to type because I have a “helpful” almost 2 year old. Every time I open the toolset or my downloaded “testing” module areas, he wants to watch me kick monster butt and hates it when I build stuff. LOL
But god blesses the little guy, because he sits in with me, while I test online. He saw my fellow party members get killed by a respawned horde behind me. “Dad, bad bang” And I realized what he told me.
This build was designed to “break” high slash immune monsters and boss creatures. Where a “slasher” build with Swords, may take a few minutes to beat down a high immune creature….The blunt weapon style does things a bit faster.
Created for, and tested on a hack n slasher persistent world, with high experience and high magic content. This build may seem to have low health but considering the dumps in UMD and some basic bard skills…….hmmm, it makes you reconsider the weaknesses.
In the right equipment set, this character can be a huge solo tank , or a hardcore frontline combat party member.
Feel free to comment about this first submission, but please leave the abuse and snide comments at the toilet where they belong.
If you see anything I have missed or got wrong……PLEASE……PLEASE show me where, so I can learn to be a better builder. This is my FIRST build I actually feel confidant with since the 169 content came out and nerfed all my previous creations. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 04/29/09 17:41
I did not include possible buffs and/or a range of magical items due to the choices of many players. Many may not use the magical items and spells I would.
But what I have done in testing...is buff up with numerous potions and items to become even more insane and unstoppable.....Just to see what it could do.
(spell)Greater stoneskin,potion of eagle splendor, potion of greater bulls strength,greater cats grace,aid,Bless....etc.....
Party members which I have tanked for, didnt get why I used so many potions and spells,care of my UMD. Then it came down to a 6 on me fight with elite lvl 40 enemy troops and I walked away.....
.....with well over half my health left and didnt use one Heal potion or spell/scroll during battle.
The choices are yours my friends, unless you require my specific choices..... _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Edited By SwordDog on 03/22/09 05:09
Ok, So before I get into the build itself I'ld like to say few things about the layout of your post.
1. Keep skill usage per level out of the leveling guide it causes a lot of clutter, I had a hard time reading through it, I'm sure others will as well. If you want to include lvl by lvl skill usage put it in a separate part of the post
2. Class/Racial bonuses such as Uncanny Dodge, Keen Senses, Dark Vision, Damage Reduction etc can be kept out of the leveling guide as well, again it causes a lot of clutter and in most cases people will know bout the class/racial bonuses or just won't care.
3. For the final skill point distribution try to get the base skills then if you want modified skills example being: 43 (54) discipline 30 (31) tumble etc.
As for the build itself..You need to look over the attribute spread again, as far as I can tell 17/13/15/10/12/12 isn't possible
I'll tidy up the build a little later today, it seem to contain everything at least, it's just a bit hard to read.
Don't worry, I'll do a bckup copy first, so nothing accidentally gets deleted.
That is a nice build. I do have one question, and it may have been deleted in the editing, but you list Heavy armor in the AC section, but, the last i remember, bard barbarian nor rdd can wear it without the Armor Prof: Heavy feat.
Pther than that, its nicely done.
Good work, Kail, saved me some trouble.
For the build. I don't think thundering Rage is so good, really, I'd find the skillpoints for Intimidate and grab Terrifying rage instead, maybe try to move it up.
Quite focused build, nice start in the guild. Real welcome among us.
Grim the grim _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
I like the build. I like Barbarians. I cant get myself to play the RDD class though, just a personal thing.
Anyways, just a couple of things to consider. 1. Why not more Barbarian levels (and less RDD levels) pre-epic to help raise your BAB? 2. (*This is an option to those that play on servers that ban Dev Crit*): You could exchange 2 STR points for 2 CON points, drop the Dev Crit line of feats, and select the EDR 1-3 feats. That would give you a decent DR. Just an option.
Good build Sword.
My comments:
Thundering Rage ain't worth a feat (unless it's for style points) and even less so Epic Toughness.
Dumping skillpoints in Tumble x-class is not a smart move. Use the bard lvls for tumble dumps.
Dev Crit can and must be acquired much earlier. It is a signature feat you qualify for early in your career, why postponing it so much?
Cha and Wis can be left at 8. You'll free up 4 ability points to increase Int (skillpoints) and/or Dex (AC). BTW, as pointed out, you are spending 31 points, you need Str 16, Con 16 to fix it with minimum changes in the build. I'll actually edit this change in.
Blind Fight should be taken earlier and IPA is questionable in usefulness. I'd skip it and get myself KD and possibly IKD instead of Toughness.
The build would benefit from Terrifying Rage, which should be acquired early enough (27th lvl for example).
I'd promptly move RDD 9-10 to epic (lvls 21-211) to gain +1 AB and Bard 1 at lvl 7-8 (depending on the CHA score) for the tumble and UMD dump.
More lore than what qualifies for RDD ain't necessary. If you decide to go for Terrifying Rage, then Intimidate is a must (and possibly ESF: Intimidate too) and hence a higher INT is necessary. Also, I question the usefulness of a half ranked Concentration.
Finally, as said, Heavy Armor, ain't an option for your build. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Mat,thanx for the feedback, its my first and like you guys saw, its messy as hell.
My thanks to Grimnir and Kail for making sense of that mess. At the time I posted that mess, I was runnng on empty and wouldve killed for a coffee so I could see straight.....
....My youngest gave us a long hard, busy day and my partner thought i was gonna pass out with exhaustion.
With the original level 1 build, I had self configured the stats myself instead of letting the game roll them for me.The full 10 levels of RDD add hit die increases and plus 2 to all attributes.
But I will be going back to my level one copy and making sure I got that start up right. Blunt is supposed to be an all strength machine. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
BTW, I just rechecked everything and you end up having a free general feat at lvl 39... in your original lvl guide you had more CON increases than necessary to end at 20 which ended up freeing up a feat slot. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Avado good buddy, nice to see you.
Not every builder will follow a recipie he or she has seen.If you decided to try this in battle, you might dump one feat you dont like, and take heavy amour.
I included the option and data on heavy amour, in case you guys asked for it.And well, I can be abit anal about my notes.....Im not happy unless I get all the choices.
My active level 40 copy of this guy recieved Heavy amour feat free with a body item, that was specifically designed by a dm to give barbs the full range of choices.
With an unbuffed naked carry weight of 1700 pounds, weight of heavy amour doesnt even get noticed.
Imagine what insanity this build could get up to, in a world where crafting includes-->being able to remove the spell failure rates on a full amoured machine like this.
It could be like a steroid enhanced,ultra destructive version of the magical marauder. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
BTW, I just rechecked everything and you end up having a free general feat at lvl 39... in your original lvl guide you had more CON increases than necessary to end at 20 which ended up freeing up a feat slot.
OH ? damn, how did I miss that ? You must think Im a total jack*** Kail.....LOL
The base design for this guy is ALL strength and nothing but strength. After experimenting alittle and seeing what goes where I decided to roll this build with some CON.
Why? I know some builders here get antsy with less then 600 health and would complain like crazy. Its not a set part of the build, so you guys can use it, abuse it, change it however you like...If you guys and girls wanna try it.
Aside from my horrendous typing and several mistakes Im already learning from....Kail, what do you think of my first submission ?
Sucks rotten egss ? Or not bad for a noob builder?
(edit) No one likes my build story ? A huge killing machine gets a destructive blunt weapon ? damn maybe it sucks.... _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Edited By SwordDog on 03/22/09 21:25
Eh, I noticed you cheated yourself short of 21 skillpoints (with the current lvl distribution and stats allocation) and of almost 100 HPs. It is now fixed.
The build's good, how can one not like a Barb/RDD? You have some minor tweaks to do (tumble bought as x-class with bard in the build is just too much for me eyes... ah, it burrrrns ) as I and others have suggested, but the base is solid. Kudos. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
I've noticed you mention arcane spell failure frequently, honestly spell failure doesn't seem to matter much with 2 bard levels, you won't be casting anything in combat so taking off armor/shield shouldn't be that big an issue for mage armor or anything else you'ld use from the lvl 1 spell line.
And considering he gets 1 casting a day at lvl 37, he's better off using scrolls and forget about bardic spellcasting (and leave starting CHA at 8) . _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 03/22/09 23:10
It should also be noted if you want to dump spellcasting, you can drop wis/cha to 8, raise int to 14 you'ld gain some much needed skill points and the option to switch races to Dwarf/Half Orc for +2str or +2 con without losing skill points.
It should also be noted if you want to dump spellcasting, you can drop wis/cha to 8, raise int to 14 you'ld gain some much needed skill points and the option to switch races to Dwarf/Half Orc for +2str or +2 con without losing skill points.
That's what I advised in two posts (although the second one suffered from a "rogue" smiley) _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 03/22/09 23:11
Quote: by SwordDog (edit) No one likes my build story ? A huge killing machine gets a destructive blunt weapon ? damn maybe it sucks....
I always try to read stories inserted in builds, it's a nice add-in, but I found this one rather confusing, a whole lot of names sprout randomly and frankly I never knew who was talking and to who he/she was talking, that was the biggest issue. Overall I'm not really certain what happened, there was no action scene, or at least I couldn't distinguish any events.
Alright, here's the thing, you list a whole lot of useless information I don't want to read, so I'll try to explain the point of naked stats.
You make a long description of your stats and how they would be if you wear certain armor or certain shield or certain weapon. It's absolutely useless. If you tell me what's your AB with your focused weapon (I can calculate it myself, but doing that is actually annoying, that's why it's a requirement in the posting rules), I can calculate your AB on every circumstance, because whenever I use your build, I won't be using your weapons, so, the unenhanced weapon is all it takes. Also, for comparison purposes, it's also useless to equip a weapon, say, if I want to say "my build has a higher AB than yours", I need to compare stats without weapons (but not without buffs, those are innate to the build), that's the fair comparison, that way there's no need to assume one gets a better enhancement. Same goes for the armor, give me your naked AC and I'll know your AC no matter what you're wearing, so there's no need to make the armor list. And why such an extensive armor list? just use the combination that yields the best AC, as said before, you're ways from being a caster, so forget about casting failure.
Normally, stating you've got UMD is all one needs to say because it's a pain to list all the crap one can use with UMD. Potions can be used by anyone, that fact that use can use them doesn't makes the build design stronger, everybody can use them too, so it's not an advantage and it's not necesary to list them, it makes no difference.
Ok, now back to the build.
You say "Blunt is supposed to be an all strength machine" yet I see no Great Strength feat taken, so I guess it was a lie? You can use the general feat and drop Epic Toughness (because it's a crappy feat) and get +2 STR, you can even drop Armor Skin and Epic Skill Focus Discipline for another +2 and maybe that could be called an all-strength machine.
Quote: by SwordDog Freaky voice set, suits the destructive monster perfectly.
Points for style, it's the first build I see that marks the voice _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 03/22/09 23:40
Kail, I didnt cheat myself of Skill points. I knew of the 21, but didnt bother mentioning it.
I was more concerned with the bulk of the points and illustrating where the most of them should go.
Now how did I miss out almost 100 hips ? This troubles me, because starting at con 15 when i self configure and ending at 20, even with a couple of con feats...i was sure i had it all.
Damn, no more typing half dead I think.
Spell Fails are included because not ONLY does it come with various forms of amour, but because this base recipie can be tweaked to include other then bard, to use low level spells.
And besides the high enuff UMD, which means if i wanna cast an implosion or death circle off a scroll or rod.....
Anything is possible in this world and the rules are constantly changing. A player might love this build recipie and find him or herself getting a failure coz the PW/mod is a real kaka head to users of magic.
Ive tried to include every information angle that came to mind, and have answers for it. My first submission isnt a slapdash 10 minute finished job.
I wanted to do a good job.
To the previous question seen in a posted reply---->
"why not more barb levels and get the higher rate?"
I COULD do that,but that was not my choice at the time. YOU could make the changes to this basic design and fit it to your taste.
Build this and see how much pain it can dish out, with the weapon I had and then consider why I didnt.
A dev critter doesnt need to do more damage.I rolled a series of good dice the other night and dev critted 3 of the 7 enemy troops attacking me.....
Then smashed another of the enemy surrounding me with a KD fatality. In a full plus 6 set, amour,helm,cloak etc.... im getting 52 AC, and making the best of my epic huge *** discipline.
Ive never been KD'ed since i began this crazed violent toon, and if i cant be KD'ed, all i do is bring the pain.
Ive never tested it in PVP,coz players online see me obliterate a 7 pack of monsters and think my guys too damned deadly to PVP. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Comment from Thax:You say "Blunt is supposed to be an all strength machine" yet I see no Great Strength feat taken, so I guess it was a lie?
My BASE design is PURE STR, but seeing how SOME builders comment about a lack of health thru CON...
I mixed it up abit and gave it some CON, because i dont wanna hear any HORSE DOODIE about low health....
I understand what your saying mate.If you would like me to drop the PURE STR copy into here, I can do it. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Quote: by SwordDog Ive never been KD'ed since i began this crazed violent toon, and if i cant be KD'ed, all i do is bring the pain.
Ive never tested it in PVP,coz players online see me obliterate a 7 pack of monsters and think my guys too damned deadly to PVP.
That sounds quite arrogant if you ask me, the build is good, but it's not an overpowered PvP monster. I find it hard to believe PvPers are the chickens you describe, try out a full-PvP server and you'll find out why.
EDIT: Stop repeating "Someone else says", it's denigrating. I haven't met your Somebodies who say you need high CON on any build, I don't recall builders here ever whining about low HP unless you have like 300 with a meleer. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 03/22/09 23:58
IMO, 400+ base health is perfectly fine for a melee that can expect to hit mid 60s low 70s AC in a +5 setting, 500+ for the 59 or lower AC ranges should be suitable in most situations, if health is such an issue however..there's always con buffs or con gear, so unless you're going for EDR I never find much value in raising con past char creation (Unless you're going for a HP Behemoth of course)
Either way, if you're going for a str machine go for a str machine not a 1/2 str 1/2 con hybrid, it's not worth it especially since you're not getting something like EDR out of it in the end.
Edited By Revenant Mattlov on 03/23/09 01:04
My stance on HPs: I try to get 400+ HPs with my "versatile" characters and 500+ with dedicated meleers and I can accept something between 300 and 400 for my mages.
In this case, with almost 700 HPS, you could have easily skipped the CON increases and even started with a lower CON score (like 14) and concentrated more on STR, which means killing things faster both because of higher AB (more hits, more crits), higher dmg bonus and because of a higher Dev Crit DC. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
(quote)Posted 03/22/09 23:56 (GMT) -- Thaxll'ssyllia
That sounds quite arrogant.
Well yes it does and for once im proud of it. For once in my life playing here, i feel i got something halfway decent enuff to feel happy with.
PVP is allowed on the server I built and tested this recipie on, and there are many PVP players on it.
One of the PVP veterans on the server, shadowed me while i was leveling up from 25 to 34 in one good run, thru enemy maps....
And at 40, his toon and mine, cleaned up a series elite maps, with monsters that have 80 AC, 60+ strength and huge regeneration.
Challenged to a PVP test of my guy in [shout] I replied im not really intrested in it, coz i wanted to make a pvm.
Before anyone could offer to help me in that respect without attitude, my party member did this [shout]
"If blunts with me and taking out trash just as fast as I can, i would never ask to pvp this toon"
Which kinda frightened anyone from wanting to test it with me. My mate is an ex DM, with custom swords,1200 health and custom amour...with 6 years playtime in the server.
Most of the regular players take the guys word as law. Anyone who acts like a bad player or PK's, gets PK'ed or ends up getting "talked to" by the current DM's.
I feel thats good enuff for me to be ALITTLE arrogant.
As for my "someones" comments, I have viewed many builds here and several replies to builds with less then 450 or 500 health, that generally get "thats way to low health to survive, it going to suck"
(EDIT) As to my story, it was supposed to be quiet transition of the weapon to another. Next time(if i ever submit again)im just NOT going to write a story for it and yall can just get stuffed like a Xmas turkey) _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Edited By SwordDog on 03/23/09 20:38
Quote: Posted 03/23/09 20:33 (GMT) -- SwordDog
(EDIT) As to my story, it was supposed to be quiet transition of the weapon to another. Next time(if i ever submit again)im just NOT going to write a story for it and yall can just get stuffed like a Xmas turkey)
I hope you do submit again and about having a story or not, feel free to add one if you want to: it doesn't do any damage at all and can be entartaining not to say it can help giving some background and perspective to the build. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
That sounds quite arrogant if you ask me, the build is good, but it's not an overpowered PvP monster. I find it hard to believe PvPers are the chickens you describe, try out a full-PvP server and you'll find out why.
Thax I LOVE this! It is sooo true! I can only dream of my PVM excellence transferring to a PVP monster! Alas, we all know that just cuz one can pound AI morons (the computer) it does not translate to PVP excellence. If you wonder what on earth i mean, take a look at my BOSS killin strategy that works like a charm on bosses. IF you tried to use that on a player you would be laughed off the server and hounded for all your days! LOL
IT is sad that people actually think that pvm excellence has ANYTHING to do with PVP mastery! Oh well.
Quote: by SwordDog As to my story, it was supposed to be quiet transition of the weapon to another. Next time(if i ever submit again)im just NOT going to write a story for it and yall can just get stuffed like a Xmas turkey)
I don't get it why if I didn't understood this story you have to stop posting stories, I encourage everybody to post them but I can't like them all, geez, but if you literally ask for opinions I give them (people say I should save my harsh comments sometimes). I'd like to see more builds and stories, lucky and a good one can sprout, who knows, I just find it extremely annoying that whenever a bad critic comes about you shut yourself out so fast, this isn't the first time if my memory serves right. Have more pride and confidence of yourself, not just when you're being supported.
Quote: by avado IT is sad that people actually think that pvm excellence has ANYTHING to do with PVP mastery! Oh well.
I wouldn't go as far "anything", they are quite related, high stats are high stats, no argue high stats are good for both PvM and PvP. My point is there is no such thing as an uber build, every build can be beaten by many other builds, my best builds have killed packs of people (well, not so much as packs, but I've won clean 1 vs 3, that's worth something IMO) or got trashed by a single dude. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
I wouldn't go as far "anything", they are quite related, high stats are high stats, no argue high stats are good for both PvM and PvP. My point is there is no such thing as an uber build, every build can be beaten by many other builds, my best builds have killed packs of people (well, not so much as packs, but I've won clean 1 vs 3, that's worth something IMO) or got trashed by a single dude.
If you were a Dragon and I was the single dude, sowwy
Quote: Posted 03/23/09 23:43 (GMT) -- Thaxll'ssyllia My point is there is no such thing as an uber build,
Yes there is: it's called invulnerable, invincible, plot, DM; you name it.
Edited By WhiZard on 03/24/09 04:03
I will be spending the next few days, possibly a week going over my stuff.....
Being a house husband and father is a full time job.
Not to mention the three cats, who are very attentive to peoples needs and regularly annoy me at the computer, so i take breaks or else i would go on a 2 or 3 day building/playing bender.
I may even rewrite the build story and get Grimnir or Kail to cut and paste it over the original......
Something more focused and violent, more fitting the build i have. Oh yeah,I have a unfinished 300 page book under my bed catching dust......
Youll likely see more stories with any future builds, that ive taken from my own crazed penmanship. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
) as I and others have suggested, but the base is solid. Kudos.
(although the second one suffered from a "rogue" smiley)