Foreword This is the correct version of Wrathful Berserker. However, the actual name is Bloodlust. Not sure why I didn't go with this one to begin with...
Story May add at some point...
Character Bloodlust
Barbarian(32)/Fighter(8)
Race: Human Starting Class: Fighter Alignment: TN(any) Abilities:
There are 24 point left over, put them wherever you want or put them whatever suits the server need. Got horses, put them in Ride, got need to be able to identify items, put them in Lore. You have half a complete skillset(if taken in Class Skill) with this much point left over.
Final Stats: Hitpoints: 624 Skillpoints: 236 Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 27/16/18 Saving Throw bonuses: Traps: +5 BAB: 30 AB (max, naked): 44 (melee), 33 (ranged) AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 18/28
Leveling up Notes: * - Can switch with Epic Toughness I if you rather that than additional 2 AC or already have something to cover the low AC.
Notes: Bloodlust gets 10% bonus to movement, Uncanny Doduge VI+, DR of 8/- and can rage nine times a day. Also can terrify opponents. Low Will save however... _________________ - Epic Character Builders Guild
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Edited By Kail Pendragon on 11/18/09 20:42
Pure, simple carnage! i love this more for what it shows than what it is! Thanks man. _________________
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How about dropping wisdom to 8, start with con at 16, drop a great str feat, drop 2 fighter levels, and take 2 rogue or bard levels in epic for skill dumps? Net loss is 8 hp and 1 will in return for 4 AC and possibly another skill you wanted.
How about dropping wisdom to 8, start with con at 16, drop a great str feat, drop 2 fighter levels, and take 2 rogue or bard levels in epic for skill dumps? Net loss is 8 hp and 1 will in return for 4 AC and possibly another skill you wanted.
By dropping 2 level of fighter, you lose one feat, either Blind Fight or Knockdown pre-epic or post-epic, Epic Prowess.
If you did that, exchanging the class with rogue or bard, you will incur XP penalty since rogue and bard are base classes.
Anuis _________________ - Epic Character Builders Guild
How about dropping wisdom to 8, start with con at 16, drop a great str feat, drop 2 fighter levels, and take 2 rogue or bard levels in epic for skill dumps? Net loss is 8 hp and 1 will in return for 4 AC and possibly another skill you wanted.
By dropping 2 level of fighter, you lose one feat, either Blind Fight or Knockdown pre-epic or post-epic, Epic Prowess.
A feat you can recover by starting with 16 CON and 8 WIS, using the CON increase for STR and therefore freeing up one epic feat (you need one less great STR). Dodge and Mobility are not fundamental feats anyhow and I'd rather lose those than BF or KD. Of course the procedure can be done no matter whether you add rogue/bard to the mix or not and in that case ESF: taunt/intimidate/discipline are all good choices for the extra feat slot.
Quote: If you did that, exchanging the class with rogue or bard, you will incur XP penalty since rogue and bard are base classes. Anuis
UMD and Tumble are worth the XP penalty IMO.
Barb 32/FTR 4/Rogue 4 starting with STR 18 DEX 8 CON 16 INT 12 WIS 8 CHA 8 would get the same AB while getting Rogue preepic, AC in full plate is capped with a potion of Cat's grace, gets the same DR, one more base damage point, still gets WS/EWS and gets significantly more skillpoints not to mention UMD, class Tumble and class Trap skills (which fit a Barbarian IMO) and no XP penalty. Mobility and Dodge are given up in this case. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
A feat you can recover by starting with 16 CON and 8 WIS, using the CON increase for STR and therefore freeing up one epic feat (you need one less great STR). Dodge and Mobility are not fundamental feats anyhow and I'd rather lose those than BF or KD. Of course the procedure can be done no matter whether you add rogue/bard to the mix or not and in that case ESF: taunt/intimidate/discipline are all good choices for the extra feat slot.
UMD and Tumble are worth the XP penalty IMO.
Barb 32/FTR 4/Rogue 4 starting with STR 18 DEX 8 CON 16 INT 12 WIS 8 CHA 8 would get the same AB while getting Rogue preepic, AC in full plate is capped with a potion of Cat's grace, gets the same DR, one more base damage point, still gets WS/EWS and gets significantly more skillpoints not to mention UMD, class Tumble and class Trap skills (which fit a Barbarian IMO) and no XP penalty. Mobility and Dodge are given up in this case.
Ah, I knew I forgot to write something.. I must have thought it but forgot to type it down.
The reason I had Dodge and Mobility was to help with AoO. Even if you do have tumble for class skill, Mobility still helps toward that when wearing full plate. There other forms of AoO I believe that Mobility still helps with. I can't recall what it is at the moment.
Anyway, will look into the suggestions later this weekend when I get time.
Anuis _________________ - Epic Character Builders Guild
- Life is but a dream...
- I know more than I am letting on...
-I think, Therefore I am.
Probably potions.
There is one other tweak that would make this perfect. The race is wrong! Sorry bud, but you have been here long enough! Its time to know the POOOWWER of the Half-Orc! Sure, you loose a feat (like Kail says, some arent that necessary anyway), and you will be down skills (do you really need tumble? Your a meleer, not some prancey dancey twirler!!). LOL
In my experience, the halforc really is a very advanced race to play well. It is PERFECT for pure strength type builds. This one is a very natural and easy fit. It is my feeling that if you can build a strength CLERIC and make it exceptional to play with halforc, then barbarians should be a walk in the park.
Some folks dislike half orcs cuz they is ugly. The way around that is to wear armor and a helmet! I played for so long and i never cared what my actual character looked like cuz i always was a gear monkey. For those who RP, this is still a natural. Besides, the charisma will be 6 vs 8.. not a big drop in the ugly scale. _________________
Ah, I knew I forgot to write something.. I must have thought it but forgot to type it down.
The reason I had Dodge and Mobility was to help with AoO. Even if you do have tumble for class skill, Mobility still helps toward that when wearing full plate. There other forms of AoO I believe that Mobility still helps with. I can't recall what it is at the moment.
Anyway, will look into the suggestions later this weekend when I get time.
Anuis
Mobility applies vs all AoOs as +4 dodge AC not counting towards the +20 cap.
If you get class tumble from Rogue you get +4 AC counting vs all attacks instead (to be noted that Mobility AC too is lost when flatfooted as is Tumble AC). And in addition to that you get SA, UMD, trap skills more skillpoints. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 10/21/09 11:44
But that would mean that Anuis would have to add a sneaky class, and that's about as likely to happen as asking a cleric to cast timestop.... hmmm _________________
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Quote: Posted 10/22/09 04:17 (GMT) -- avado
But that would mean that Anuis would have to add a sneaky class, and that's about as likely to happen as asking a cleric to cast timestop.... hmmm
My clerics tend to have UMD _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Quote: Posted 10/22/09 04:17 (GMT) -- avado
But that would mean that Anuis would have to add a sneaky class, and that's about as likely to happen as asking a cleric to cast timestop.... hmmm
Who says a rogue or a bard is sneaky?
I have an str based rogue that I'm quite fond of, uses full plate and no stealth skills.
But that would mean that Anuis would have to add a sneaky class, and that's about as likely to happen as asking a cleric to cast timestop.... hmmm
Who says a rogue or a bard is sneaky?
I have an str based rogue that I'm quite fond of, uses full plate and no stealth skills.
dude, you should really chill. it is in general that rogue/bard are sneaky. Specifically, they can be whatever they want to be. I have even toyed with the idea of a wisdom-less cleric for real fun...
But that would mean that Anuis would have to add a sneaky class, and that's about as likely to happen as asking a cleric to cast timestop.... hmmm
My clerics tend to have UMD
my fav build, cleirc/rdd/bard had that. Trouble is, once you get going, you are killin with such speed that you forget you have such trivialities and it winds up wasted. In this case though, a lvl of rog or 2 would be most powerful adding +4 to ac and d5 damage!! _________________
I think avado answered your question like no other could...
Quote: Posted 10/23/09 02:29 (GMT) -- avado ...since Anuis doesnt use rog nor bard at all!!
Yes, but he really, really should. When I first saw this thread, my head screamed for rogue or bard so hard that I had to close the browser. I can't imagine an argument against it. Personally, I'd take the XP penalty and get myself some regular dumps, but even if you're not willing to eat that, then 40) rogue1!
On topic: The power build thing to do is to take a skilldump with a tumble class. But I can underastand that it may look a bit pansy-like to a raging barbarian. _________________ I generally avoid temptation, unless I can't resist it...
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 10/23/09 17:04
Moderator's note: let's cut the pointless arguig from all sides. It brings no good. Thank you _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 10/23/09 16:52
Let's see if this is less "pointless," then.
Quote: Posted 10/22/09 20:36 (GMT) -- avado
dude, you should really chill. it is in general that rogue/bard are sneaky. Specifically, they can be whatever they want to be. I have even toyed with the idea of a wisdom-less cleric for real fun...
While rogues may be thought of as sneaky as a archetype (though it's rogue instead of thief or whatever for a reason), I don't see how the same could be said for a bard. The guy singing during battle and performing at taverns generally isn't thought of as being a master of stealth.
Quote: my fav build, cleirc/rdd/bard had that. Trouble is, once you get going, you are killin with such speed that you forget you have such trivialities and it winds up wasted. In this case though, a lvl of rog or 2 would be most powerful adding +4 to ac and d5 damage!!
Whether the enemy monsters are so weak you're "killing with such speed" is entirely module dependent. People, in general, didn't build modules as well (combat wise) back when you were playing, so your experience 5 years ago or whatever doesn't apply to a decent chunk of stuff "today." But yes, 4 AC and d6 damage for a cost of 1 level would be nice.
Personally I echo Onion's sentiment and to me it's evident that Rogue or possibly Bard is the way to go from a build's optimization point of view. Now if that doesn't fit the concept or the builder's taste (subjective factors), that's another matter; the objective value of the suggestion remains. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Rogue/Bard skill dumps aside; I like the build and would like to thank Anuis for posting it. I believe the simplicity of the nastiness of this battle rager makes it refreshing.
In the server I play in there are relatively no hard and fast rules over any use of class or splits, but I recently signed on for an ongoing event which calls for no prestige classes. We are only allowed two classes for these toons and this fellow is a great example. _________________ The secret to eternal youth is simply in your imagination.
Even as it stands though, without the obvious rogue/bard mix, there's no reason at all to not switch 4 fighter levels to CoT in it's current form. It costs absolutely nothing. _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
