A pretty obvious build, but its very effective and I thought it would be helpful to others to have on record.
Playable 1-40 (Though it can be a pain without help / good gear.) Performs best in PvP.
Advantages: High AB (61 with a +5 Rapier and +12 DEX) Relatively high AC (66 with +5 gear and +12 DEX. 70 with Shadow Evade, 74 With Haste) Epic Dodge (Heck yes.) Pretty decent damage output. (Youve got over 7 levels of Weapon Master, Epic Weapon Specialization, and a rapier!) You can go toe to toe with the best of them.
Disadvantages: Poor saves. Lowish HP. You rely on critical hits, mostly. Undead and other things immune to critical hits will be a pain to kill. Poor detection capabilities.
Race: Elf Alignment: Any (Go with a neutral.)
Starting Stats: STR 10 DEX 20(34) - All points to DEX CON 12 INT 14 WIS 8 CHA 8
*: Feat can be replaced with Great Fortitude, Improved Expertise, Knockdown, Improved Knockdown, Toughness, Blindfight. (I chose what is listed because Improved Expertise will most likely not be needed with your AC and Epic Dodge, and the extra 40 HP is nice. Another good option would be to drop Improved Knockdown for Great Fortitude.) **: Feat can be replaced with Epic Skill Focus: Discipline (If you dont need the fortitude for protection against devastating critical hit, but its pretty handy.)
Skills: Discipline 43(43), Spot 43(44), Tumble 40(52), Hide 10(22), Move Silently 8(20), Intimidate 4(3) 37 Left over to put wherever. You could even them out into Hide and Move Silently for some minor stealth You do have HIPS, or drop them into Concentration on your fighter level for some resistance against taunt.
Naked Fort: 25 Naked Ref: 32 Naked Will: 15
Max Naked HP: 440 Naked AC 32 (35 with a tower shield.) Naked Unarmed AB 43 Mundane Rapier AB 50 Mundane Rapier Damage 1d6 + 6 13-20/x3 AB with a +5 Rapier and +12 DEX 61 Damage with +5 Keen Rapier and +12 STR 1d6 + 17 10-20/x3 AC with +5 Armor, Boots, Deflection, Natural, Tower Shield, +12 DEX 66 (Shadow Evade will bring it to 70 and give you 20% conceal for 5 rounds, if youd like. Another 4 from Haste is also delicious.)
Similar Builds: Shadow Avenger by kreestopearq The not so dashing swashbuckler by syrath1001
Both of these builds go for Self Conceal V. However, I don't find it necessary when you have a high AC and epic dodge, and the AB helps you out a lot more. Not to mention there are other ways you can find 50% concealment.
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 05/27/10 20:43
I tend not to read alot of the top stuff, as i just get to the build. If the build catches me, i go back and read the rest. I must say, i was thinking to myself that this was very nice, but was missing one thing, then i went through it again and, nope, i was wrong! Lv 33 EWS! You some how sneakeded it in on me from my first to second reading! Nicely done man.
And to top it off, you didnt mention the most obvious point of it all, except for a passing remarkL HIPS!
Nicely done.
Compare to a fighter11/WM16/Rogue13. Do you really think this works better?
Damage is seriously not impressive, especially for a WM. There are no alternate sources of damage. You effectively have a rapier, w/ EWS, and the expanded crits. Very good AB, but still, offensively, weak.
You invest an awful lot into defense. You're DEX based, and using ten levels of a class, w/ little besides gaining the pre-reqs you need for ED. All that for a pretty good AC, and Epic Dodge.
Why elven? You could do much better.
If I'm missing something crucial, please enlighten me, but from what I see, this combination just aint doin' much for ya.
For what it's worth though, given the parameters (DEX based WM/SD w/ ED), it's a tight build. I don't think I can improve on it, but I do think it should probably be demolished and built again from the ground up. Seriously. F11/WM16/R13.
Also, why do you say "poor detection capabilities?" Maxed Spot and Keen Senses seems pretty decent to me. Sure, no Search, but seems to be at least decent detection capabilities. Sellin' yourself short there.
Quote: Posted 05/25/10 02:07 (GMT) -- onion eater Compare to a fighter11/WM16/Rogue13. Do you really think this works better?
It really depends on the server and what's available. This is mostly here for reference, for others to look at.
Quote: Damage is seriously not impressive, especially for a WM. There are no alternate sources of damage. You effectively have a rapier, w/ EWS, and the expanded crits. Very good AB, but still, offensively, weak.
If you're looking for damage, make a strength based weapon master. Given more time, a build like this will carve out a good amount of people.
Quote: You invest an awful lot into defense. You're DEX based, and using ten levels of a class, w/ little besides gaining the pre-reqs you need for ED. All that for a pretty good AC, and Epic Dodge.
A better defense is usually what wins the fight in melee PvP.
Quote: Why elven? You could do much better.
If you want to go Halfling, go for it. Doesn't seem worth it to me. If you want to lose 1 AB and AC for another feat, go human.
Quote: Also, why do you say "poor detection capabilities?" Maxed Spot and Keen Senses seems pretty decent to me. Sure, no Search, but seems to be at least decent detection capabilities. Sellin' yourself short there.
On most mid-magic level 40 servers, at least the ones I've played on, if a level 40 rogue wants to stay hidden, there's little you can do to find him, unless you've made it your job to spot sneakers.
...I also find it a little funny that you call me out on 11/16/13 just as I posted it.
Edited By Endalyor on 05/25/10 02:24
I would prolly drop Dex by 2, raise str to 14, raise Con to 15, swap out a feat in epic for a great con, which should have you at about 500 hp.
Definitely blind fight, and i would prolly go called shot and KD for the spare feats. I wouldnt bother with fort feats .. you suck at it anyway, so avoid dev critters. You win some, you lose some.
14 Str opens up Power attack to up the dmg vs crit immun mobs
The caveat to my comments being: I prefer non min-max and mostly non pvp
I do prefer this build over rogue variant, I like elves, i like SD. Im too lazy to corner sneak.
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