**edit** moved from the Epic Character Builds Forum, err... that was a dumb place for this post


The subject of build requests occurred to me when I tried to modify one of the builds here and as usual, the feats give me all kind of trouble, I can't figure out why some feats were chosen and why wouldn't it be better to get exotic weapon proficiency instead of luck of heroes..stuff like that and do I thought I could either ask for a lengthy tutorial on building characters or I couold just ask for the build to be modified for the end result I am trying to achieve. The quicker option is number 2 so here it is:

The Battle Cleric with all wpn proficiencies, no wpn. specific feats and who also kicks major arse would you then just go full Cleric and get more spell power, rely on divine power/favor, battletide, etc. for battles? CG or CN for alignment, prefer CN =8)


also I'm wondering if there should be some kind of policy for build requests? any ideas?

I have two of these guys currently in play mainly because I want to see him epic and the server he started on hasn't gone to HotU yet

My first PW character: started out fighter 20, vault wipe happened, remade as 15 fighter/5 cleric becasue of an RP religious experience, then rerolled as 5 fighter/15 cleric, Strength, War Domains, Improved Knockdown, no spell feats becasue I didn't know how useful they were and he's been 20th for a loooong time. Just basically puts on long-term buffs, divine power and/or divine favour before fights, some healing, etc. Plan to take extend spell and empower spell as soon as possible if and when he goes epic.

the HotU version on another server:

pure cleric, strength/air domains (currently lvl.19, would kick the original's arse )

has extend spell, empower spell, works basically the same, just better

both of these guys have crappy CHA so I'm thinking of making a third Battle Cleric chracter, with some CoT levels to take advantage of Divine Might and Divine Shield feats, among other things. I don't want any paladin levels tho...I can't play LG.

Also, the drow mage-assassin, not nessarily using the assassin class, but what a mage who was also an assassin would look like in NWN. If anybody has read Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen series, it's the Tiste Andii I'm thinking of: immortal mage-assassins with heavy crossbows and very powerful in magic.

how about the non-evil assassin in general? the DnD alignment system has always been terrible IMHO. I guess a fighter/rogue/SD would make for an effective Neutral, or even Good, Assassin character. And I guess just about any mage past a certain level of power would have all the abilities needed to do assassin-type stuff..any specific ideas?

Edited By billb0 on 03/26/04 18:25:44

Edited By billb0 on 03/27/04 15:29

Hi all,

I wanted to request a Conan the barbarian build. I'd like it based off the books / comic books. He was a rogue at first when he was young plus a barbarian. I'd say rogue first level for more skill points then barb for a few levels then maybe another rogue level using saved skill points to maximize rogue skills. I like to limit the rogue to just a few levels especially pre epic. I'd like to major in barb levels and maybe add a few fighter for weapon specialization / epic weapon specialization. Please any help fleshing this out would be greatly appreciated!!


Thanks, Mano hi
i like billbo am not to good at char building
i,ve been looking for a monk/fighter/weapon master build
the only 2 i,ve found are
monk9/ f4/ wm7 by (manowar) (but only lvl 20)
Click Here
the other is m29/ f6/ wm5 by (d3myz3)
Click Here
anyone willing to tweak these builds to end at
(human) m6/ f10/ wm24 duel wielding kamas as ive beeen playing this char for a few month,s but i know my build can be much improved on i don,t miind if its
dex or strgh or middle of the road based
or what the hell all three version,s
whoever does this i would be most grateful
thank,s
griphook
btw if i,m duel wielding kamas is there really
a need for stunning fist????

Edited By griphook on 03/29/04 14:53

Quote: Posted 03/29/04 14:24:44 (GMT) -- griphook
-SNIP-
btw if i,m duel wielding kamas is there really
a need for stunning fist????

It would be useful if you were to lose your weapon due to the disarm feat. Some do use them, but some don't since they really don't help much because they already have their own custom weapon, or they have powerful weapon(s) in their arsenal and have no need for new ones.

If it was up to me, I would keep it because when you build dragon character, it would be necessary. Why? You have three different attacks in the dragon form, you can get more attacks from those three using the stunning fist. But that is just my opinion.

Anuis
Quote: Posted 03/27/04 22:48:51 (GMT) -- ManOWarr

Hi all,

I wanted to request a Conan the barbarian build. I'd like it based off the books / comic books. He was a rogue at first when he was young plus a barbarian. I'd say rogue first level for more skill points then barb for a few levels then maybe another rogue level using saved skill points to maximize rogue skills. I like to limit the rogue to just a few levels especially pre epic. I'd like to major in barb levels and maybe add a few fighter for weapon specialization / epic weapon specialization. Please any help fleshing this out would be greatly appreciated!!


Thanks, Mano

Hi Mano

about Conan, I don't know if this will matter to you, but I think the rogue class is altogether wrong for a Conan character, in terms of Conan how he was written I mean. If you're more interested in the movie version or something then I guess this won't apply Anyway, he worked as a thief for a brief stint and did sneak around on occasion but he was not a rogue, that is, he wasn't really good at being a thief. He was a head and a half taller than nearly everyone, and was an obvious barbarian besides. I would say that based on the books, Conan is more like a Barb/Fighter, fighter because he does take formal training and ends up using heavy armor,etc. I think someone posted on the excellent builds thread that Conan never used anything but his bastard sword or something and while that may be true for the movie Conan, he becomes proficient with a wide variety of weapons in the books, he even learns to shoot a bow from horseback I dunno about a third class. Oh , and he HATED magic..if anybody knows the AD&D book from back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and TSR still owned DnD, the barabarian class in the book called Unearthed Arcana was a class inspired by Conan Double DEX bonus to AC, double CON bonus to HP, all kinds of special rogue-like abilities and wilderness skills, anyway, lots of stuff. It was cool. I think there are a couple Barbarian builds in the index that might be close..the thundering barbarian comes to mind for some reason..**edit** ok, just looked at the Thundering Barbarian build by Lockindal, that's a build that looks exactly like Conan should be IMHO, and he did it by accident too

Anyway, that's my take on Conan just my opinion, ignore it entirely if you want

Edited By billb0 on 03/30/04 15:34

Hi guys!

I'm looking for a Paladin/Bard/Pale Master build.

It'll have to take the full 20 levels of Paladin first for best AB and something like 3 bard, 16 pale, 1 bard (for skills).

I've got that concept but dunno how to go about making it and feats. I know i dont want Dev crit cos its nerfed on the sever i play.

Thanks!
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Joeking Hi billb0,

I agree with most of what you say. I've got about 40 conan books if not more all the original paperback books printed by Ace and with all of Robert Howards original stories. I have a bunch of the Tor printed books as well. I agree that he wasn't much of a rogue. That's why I was looking to limit rogue to probably two levels and three at most. I definitely agree with you about Conan being proficient in a bunch of weapons and skills. That's probably alot of the problems I have trying to build him as he was such a master of everything. That's why within NWN limits I have basically settled on the Barb/Rogue/fighter. I've had a hard time fleshing the build out to do Conan Justice lol. Also I'm one of those older than dirt guys who played pnp D&D lol. I had one of those barb class characters and thought he was the best thing since sliced bread at the time that class came out. I'm not older than dirt just as old as dirt lol (33 y/o). Thanks for the response and if you can give it a shot at trying to build Conan. I'd love to see what you'd come up with. BTW, I posted a character for download that's a thundering barb on my post about volunteering to host bic files on my website.

Thanks, Mano

Thanks, Mano I am looking for a stealthy sorc. build that has access to all sorc spell levels and a good hide/ move silent

i think it would be fun to play - sneek in and blast them type thing. any help would be great.

i thought a sorc/thief/sd would be a good combo ? Hello all,
I am looking for two diffrent builds. The first one would be one that will never die (IE has super high con/dr and/or immunities) and a melee fighter with many attacks/decent ab. Please let me know If anyone as these builds avaliable. Thank you.
Quote: Posted 04/09/04 01:26:01 (GMT) -- Nathaniallewis

Hello all,
I am looking for two diffrent builds. The first one would be one that will never die (IE has super high con/dr and/or immunities) and a melee fighter with many attacks/decent ab. Please let me know If anyone as these builds avaliable. Thank you.

Nathaniallewis,

You might want to check those two out. I haven't tested the builds yet, but they should be what you are looking for.

The first build are immune to death spells or spell-like ability, mind spells, negative energy. Can counter harm and word of faith.

Click Here

The second build simply won't die as the creator said...

Click Here

Hope this helps you out.

Anuis Thank you! Looking for an extremely high damage (fromthe sneak attack) rogue. NOT the rogue archer as premiered by bioware or a melee rogue per say. I am sure this build is out there, I am just having trouble finding it. Would need to obligatory 1(or more) level in SD


thanks,
-d @DravenML: There are several of those builds in the index, the Scourge Master by Wildeyes which I made as a kukri master, phrostbyte did a sneaky assassin (tho I don't think it's actually called that in the index) and someone did a sneaky assassin variant. there are probably others too

**edit** Hediyoshi's 'Shire Ninja' does great sneak damage too, and I love the concept , oh and it was FenrisWulf74 that made the Sneaky Assassin Variant and phrostbyte's is called the Sneak Attack master

Edited By billb0 on 04/16/04 01:47

Quote: Posted 04/16/04 01:10:59 (GMT) -- billb0

@DravenML: There are several of those builds in the index, the Scourge Master by Wildeyes which I made as a kukri master, phrostbyte did a sneaky assassin (tho I don't think it's actually called that in the index) and someone did a sneaky assassin variant. there are probably others too

If you wanted to have high damage, you might want to consider changing the kukri to scythe. The scythe has highest damage base I think which mean you could score high damages with all buffs that you might use in the build, etc etc... as it was done in Torias' build, Damage Adept.

Hope this helps you out.

Anuis I am intrigued by the epic ancient dragon forms (as well as the other epic forms).

I noticed that the anc dragons breath weapon is Very powerful, and wondered if a build could be made to maximize this breath weapon, while maximizing dr/ac/sr/saves, having improved expertise.

Tactic: use one of the three ancient dragon forms to do breath damage (whichever is needed), and if a boss is immune to all, use another epic form's special attacks. IS this possible, or viable?

I am looking for a very defensive dragon, with breath attack, practically ignoring bab and weapon damage(if possible). Idon't want to rely on Any magic equipment unless needed, Though on my server I can +15 enchantment on weapons (eventually) And armor. So dual wielding Kamas might be Very effective.

I don't want buffs unless necessary to make the strategy work. Adding in bard/thief level for tumble/UMD maxed would be nice but not necessary. Knockdown is Very fun(though not necessary, as ab may be low).
Quote: Posted 04/16/04 09:08:50 (GMT) -- Darby

I am intrigued by the epic ancient dragon forms (as well as the other epic forms).

I noticed that the anc dragons breath weapon is Very powerful, and wondered if a build could be made to maximize this breath weapon, while maximizing dr/ac/sr/saves, having improved expertise.

Tactic: use one of the three ancient dragon forms to do breath damage (whichever is needed), and if a boss is immune to all, use another epic form's special attacks. IS this possible, or viable?

I am looking for a very defensive dragon, with breath attack, practically ignoring bab and weapon damage(if possible). Idon't want to rely on Any magic equipment unless needed, Though on my server I can +15 enchantment on weapons (eventually) And armor. So dual wielding Kamas might be Very effective.

I don't want buffs unless necessary to make the strategy work. Adding in bard/thief level for tumble/UMD maxed would be nice but not necessary. Knockdown is Very fun(though not necessary, as ab may be low).

To have best defensive dragon, you would want to have build something like this. Druid/Monk/Shifter. Monk increases the AC and it would make your build harder to hurt and it increases the HP as well since in druid and shifter class the HP don't increase much. Also when you are shifted in dragon form, the weapons you use are creatures abilities which can be supported by Monk because they have free feats in unarmed attacks. Also you would want to max out the tumble because you would need it because of low HP(you can max it out by storing the points and use all of it when you are on the last monk class in the build). As for the breath attacks, I think that can bypass the immunies that the boss might have, but I am not sure.

Anyway, hope this gives you some idea of how to make good dragon form...

Anuis Yes the shifter/monk would be good. I have seen a few shifter monk builds, but none are as defensive as I think he could be.

what about Dwarven/barbarian damage reduction? A Dragon Wall build would be sweet, if possible. I'll have to check the shifter faq about kama's xfering.

I asked one of our PW dm's if any boss had 100% immunity to acid+fire+lightning and he said no, so it might be a go for that . Just have to watch the damage done versus damage taken - the 20-30 points regen total. Been doing some testing and apparently in a high magic pw with great ac items dragon shapes are pretty sad. As well are the dragon breath weapons. So I will not be trying a dragon based class anytime soon. On the other hand I may be looking at kobold commando/rak builds. Thanks for the advice.

I haven't tried puff yet, but I shy away from him due to reliance on buffs(have to look closer to determine how much reliance). Seems on my pw, I can't walk 2 steps without being dispelled (exaggerating). I am curious about the rak build that maximizes ice storm damage. How does it deal withcold immune bosses though?

What I really am interested in is a Kobold Commando/golem build, for that high magic pw. Right now I am considering a druid 5/monk (6/10) / shifter build to maximize the kobold's weapon.

note:undead forms can't heal themselves, and that means death in a high epic server.

(The other humanoid forms can be useful too, for various purposes. I will probably not even take dragon forms) I found builds for both rak and kobold. Thanks! hmm.. my main character is a 16 SHD and 24 rogue... hmm I was thinking, are the feats a SD gets worth it? with the rogue, the SD does not give many bonuses (Improved evasion?) so are SD's worth getting Epic? or is one level sufficent? the daze gets resisted alot, epic pet is ok, and with UMD there are scrolls that are better then the concealment bonus... so would there be another way to do it? I made the char to be one who sneaks ahead and checks for traps and such, but I am not too sure if this build is working for that, any ideas?
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Quote: Posted 04/18/04 04:15:32 (GMT) -- Darby
note:undead forms can't heal themselves, and that means death in a high epic server.

Actually, on the server where I play (Aventia), they can. The DM allowed the potion merchant to sell Potions of Harm. Works like a charm.

Just make sure you don't drink it while in non-undead form. Hmm I would like to see an epic character that focuses on using the Two-Bladed Sword. Does anyone know if this has been done yet, or if its viable for a powerful character?

I would imagine such a char would almost certainly have 7 Weaponmaster Levels. After that, not so sure. Perhaps 9 Ranger to get the Two-Weapon Feats? Although these can be got with Fighter/CoT instead I suppose...

Any ideas? THE DANCERFIGHTER by silphion
f 23/cot 10/wm 7 with ..two bladed sword
Click Here post 8

also see what cdaulepp suggests to alter
bottom of post 9
Click Here

glad to help

Edited By griphook on 04/28/04 21:28

In my favorite Mod, I can change alignments.

It has been said that 35/- is the highest dam reduction without alignment shift. I am interested in a build that would actually increase this, though I don't see how barbarian could do it.

I have heard paladin/CoT + BG could be great, using charisma for 2x, I am curious about a build for that. I am mostly interested in ac, dam reduction, ab, damage . .not so much saves or multiple non-stacking uses of the same thing. Hey guys, this might already be on the forums somewhere and I just cant find it . There are just SO many different builds here, I don't know if I'll ever get a chance to read them all .

Either way, could someone give me a link/help me out with a good bard build which incorporates a decent amount of bard levels and devestating critical? I've tried several times, but there's just not enough ability points out there to get high charisma (for spells), dex (for AC), and str (25 for Dev Crit.)

TIA
Quote: Posted 04/30/04 01:56:51 (GMT) -- Nitricity

Hey guys, this might already be on the forums somewhere and I just cant find it . There are just SO many different builds here, I don't know if I'll ever get a chance to read them all .

Either way, could someone give me a link/help me out with a good bard build which incorporates a decent amount of bard levels and devestating critical? I've tried several times, but there's just not enough ability points out there to get high charisma (for spells), dex (for AC), and str (25 for Dev Crit.)

TIA

Don't mean to sounds patronising but have you tried:

Click Here

or:

Click Here
?

2 of the best builds of ANY kind!

Hope this helps... Hello Master Builders,

I have been playing on the NS4 Beta and have been playing a Dwarf. I was wondering if anybody could build a kick butt Cleric/DwD. I was thinking maybe 14 Cleric/ 26 DwD. It would have to be without Dev Crit as it is not allowed. I have to admit that I do not have the understanding that you guys have. I have never played a caster either. I only get to play NWN for a couple of hours a week so I would like to see a build that is really playable from lvl 1.

I bet it is pretty much a walk in the park for you guys to toss something like this together and I envy your abilities.

Thanks in advance,

Jabu Can someone possibly point me in the right direction for a Monk/Fighter build? Perhaps even Monk/Shadowdancer or Monk/SD/Fighter. I don't have anything in mind in particular other than the concept, so, I'm just looking around for ideas and/or builds already made.
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hi jabu01
have you looked at this one DWARVEN RETALIATION
cleric 12/ fighter 6/ dd 22 by hediyoshi
Click Here
can,t seem to find anymore in my notes

fie`rall ...monk 35/fighter 5
Click Here last post by "sullybob"
also.. lvl 40 pure monk..duel kama.s.. self concealment 1,2 +3
post 6 by herbie shimmer
Click Here

hope they help

Edited By griphook on 05/09/04 19:48

Looking a Wizard/Pale Master Build.

Wizard casting as much damage possible but still remain immune to things like mind-spells, death, fear. etc. hi vodreaux
don,t have wiz/pm in my notes but this may be what your after
UNDEAD GLADIATOR fighter 14/ wiz 10/ pm16 by "lockindal"
Click Here Greetings,


Lately I have been testing various Fighter/WM/Rogue builds and always come up with different results. I am trying to get the highest AB possible and AC possible together with these builds. My skills should be distributed between Disciple/Tumble/UMD/Open Lock and 4 Intimidate, also focusing in Longsword. I've heard rumors on the PW I play of straight Str Melee types getting over 70AC after equipment and buffs, but the highest I've gotten is 51. If someone could help me in this build I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Christian

*Also trying to stay with as little rogue levels as possible. Have been going 10fi/28wm/2rogue

Edited By ChristianJock007 on 05/13/04 15:37

Hey people, Im looking for a bit of guidance. Im working on a Wizard/PM/DwD build. Could anyone make any suggestions on level progression? I am basically just using the Wizard class to qualify for the pale master PC. Does this sound like a decent route to go? I think Im gonna call him the Undeath Defender.

Thanks
Solstice[Entropy]
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-Solstice on living with a symbiote link(Entropy). Hi, I'm new to the guild and NWN. I am toying with a character. I'm thinking of a fighter/rogue/Shadow Dancer (10/10/20 or 20/10/10). I went with the recomended stats for a Human Rogue when I first started. I think I may have messed the character up. I'm posting from work, so I can't give you stats at the moment. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Quote: Posted 05/13/04 18:45:45 (GMT) -- 001entropy100

Hey people, Im looking for a bit of guidance. Im working on a Wizard/PM/DwD build. Could anyone make any suggestions on level progression? I am basically just using the Wizard class to qualify for the pale master PC. Does this sound like a decent route to go? I think Im gonna call him the Undeath Defender.

Thanks
Solstice[Entropy]

Hey guys, I found what I was looking for after grepping through the forum for a while.
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-Solstice on living with a symbiote link(Entropy). hi drascar

fighter 15/ rogue 15/ sd 10 ..by .dethwing6 Click Here

also.. fighter 12/rogue 27/ sd 1 ..by ..phrostbyte

Click Here

their are other,s look in the build,s index Click Here

Edited By griphook on 05/14/04 19:03

Thanks, I will give one of those a try. I am not sure how they do this on the server I play on, all I know is that this build is able to kick everyone across the table.
For some odd reason they say every 2 dex they get an additional 2ab and 2ac. I dont know how they do that, also they managed to get dev. crit. as well. If anyone knows a way to do this please let me know. Thanks,
Nathan
Quote: Posted 05/16/04 05:21:17 (GMT) -- Nathaniallewis

I am not sure how they do this on the server I play on, all I know is that this build is able to kick everyone across the table.
For some odd reason they say every 2 dex they get an additional 2ab and 2ac. I dont know how they do that, also they managed to get dev. crit. as well. If anyone knows a way to do this please let me know. Thanks,
Nathan

Upon entering a server you can see something called a "player list". Look at this char and give us his classes and their lvls. Then we can figure something out.

Edited By Agent of greater will on 05/16/04 17:52

ok a friend of mine was describing a game called everquest to me, he talked very much about this class called the Shadow Knight, it sounded very much like a Blackguard to me, yet it also had more spells... and well.. sounded very interesting to me...

I was thinking something along the lines of a 20 sorc, 1 Pally (for the armor penalty removal) and all the rest in black guard... but I also think any other melee class would work, tell me what you all think, and any one have any other similar builds... I have realized I suck at this compared to the rest of you
so anyways I was wondering what you all would do to create this Shadow knight, and here is another factor... would it be any good?

Mahalo!
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Just when you thing that it's all through,
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Quote: Posted 06/07/04 03:14:16 (GMT) -- JennaGrrl
ok a friend of mine was describing a game called everquest to me, he talked very much about this class called the Shadow Knight, it sounded very much like a Blackguard to me, yet it also had more spells... and well.. sounded very interesting to me...

I was thinking something along the lines of a 20 sorc, 1 Pally (for the armor penalty removal) and all the rest in black guard... but I also think any other melee class would work, tell me what you all think, and any one have any other similar builds... I have realized I suck at this compared to the rest of you
so anyways I was wondering what you all would do to create this Shadow knight, and here is another factor... would it be any good?

Mahalo!

Hmm how about this.

Human
8 Barb/10 RDD/22 BG

Lvlin Order
6 Bard
4 RDD
10 BG
6 RDD
1 Bard
12 BG
1 Bard

starting stats
str 16
dex 12
con 14
int 12
wis 8
chr 14

Feats
1 power attack, cleave
3 extend spell
6 knockdown
9 toughness
12 weapon focus greatsword
15 imp crit greatsword
18 extra smite
21 gr str 1
24 gr str 2
27 gr str 3
30 gr str 4, overwhelm crit
33 gr str 5, dev crit
36 gr str 6, epic weap focus
39 armor skin, epic fiend


ending stats
str 40
dex 12
con 16
int 14
wis 8
chr 16

(52)52/47/42/37 AB (bulls strx2, bard song)
43 ac (full plate, mage armor, prot from align, eagle

splendor, haste, tumble)


Dmg
2d6
+ 30(str)
+ 2(bard song)
+ 7D6 sneak attack
= 41-86 dmg


Hp
8*bard = 48
10*rdd = 80
22*bg = 220
40*con = 120
toughness = 40
= 498 HP

Skills(151)
43x disc
40x tumble
34x move silent
34x hide


Really good build actually. Lotsa AB, lotsa AC, Lotsa Dmg, Lotsa HP, good summon. Maxed tumble, hide/move silently, disc.
You can sneak up on an enemy, knock em down and smash em up with sneak attacks and huge str. Alternately, you can have your fiend distract them while you sneak em. Even against crit/sneak immune you are doing huge dmg. This char will scale very well with a high magic server also.

Good Luck with the build.

Edited By evo_dragon on 06/07/04 06:52

Hi all,

Looking for a straight Wizard build. Thanks
Quote: Posted 06/08/04 08:54:23 (GMT) -- Wvyrren

Hi all,Looking for a straight Wizard build. Thanks

Here's one I've been thinking of 38 wiz/1 Rogue/1 Shadow Dancer.

Gnome

starting stats
str 12
dex 13
con 16
int 17
wis 8
chr 8


1 toughness
3 extend spell
5 combat casting
6 empower spell
9 maximize spell
10 spell focus evocation
12 mobility
15 dodge, spell pen
18 spell focus necromancy
20 gr spell pen
21 gr int 1
23 gr int 2
24 imp combat casting
26 gr int 3
27 gr int 4
29 epic mage armor
30 gr ruin
32 epic warding
33 hellball
35 ep spell pen
36 gr int 5
38 epic spell focus necromancy
39 epic spell focus evocation

ending stats
str 12
dex 13
con 16
int 32
wis 8
chr 8

hp - 324

Skills
Max - spellcraft, tumble, umd, hide, move silently, concentration, appraise etc etc etc.You will have mad amount of skills, and be able to cast your spells then retreat to the shadows if you are overwhelmed. hi jennagrrl
SHADOW NIGHT by mithdradates
perhaps this is what your friend was talking about
Click Here Thanks evo_dragon will have to try it out This Dragon BG is excellent! Works well for making a Character a tiefling, or half-fiend also...

I will check out the other shadowknight later this evening when I get home (long long day at work )
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Quote: Posted 05/16/04 17:51:15 (GMT) -- Agent of greater will

Quote: Posted 05/16/04 05:21:17 (GMT) -- Nathaniallewis

I am not sure how they do this on the server I play on, all I know is that this build is able to kick everyone across the table.
For some odd reason they say every 2 dex they get an additional 2ab and 2ac. I dont know how they do that, also they managed to get dev. crit. as well. If anyone knows a way to do this please let me know. Thanks,
Nathan

Upon entering a server you can see something called a "player list". Look at this char and give us his classes and their lvls. Then we can figure something out.

The main one has this build...
10Fighter/28WM/2Bard Sounds kinda sloppy to me...
Most of the others use this...
10Fighter/30WM
Might the bard be for tumble... and why 2 levels?

And another thing (Ug I hate to keep asking more and more of you people) ... Would you be kind enough to build a smiter of evil X with a sythe. WM if possible to pick up the 5x crit range... I belive that 1000 damage could be achived with that build, if Only I could come up with it, but I belive that an elf would be the best choice... just for cha. sakes!

Thank you in advance for all those who help me, and my horrible spelling issues. Belive it or no I recently graduated high school
Quote: Posted 06/10/04 02:21:31 (GMT) -- Nathaniallewis
The main one has this build...
10Fighter/28WM/2Bard Sounds kinda sloppy to me...
Most of the others use this...
10Fighter/30WM
Might the bard be for tumble... and why 2 levels?

And another thing (Ug I hate to keep asking more and more of you people) ... Would you be kind enough to build a smiter of evil X with a sythe. WM if possible to pick up the 5x crit range... I belive that 1000 damage could be achived with that build, if Only I could come up with it, but I belive that an elf would be the best choice... just for cha. sakes!

Thank you in advance for all those who help me, and my horrible spelling issues. Belive it or no I recently graduated high school

Try the Bioware's epic char builds. Max dmg build is there. Author....Help please my fellow guild members
Lorethian

Joined: 27 Jun 2002 Profile: Friday, 11 June 2004 03:30PM


I play in a PW and am looking for a character that is survivable through its career not only at 40th level. I am looking for a cleric/Monk build that will give me decent AC because this world is very low magic. I sure could use your thoughts on this.


you should get a reply now it,s in the right thread

Edited By griphook on 06/12/04 13:06

Quote: Posted 06/12/04 13:03:27 (GMT) -- griphook

Author....Help please my fellow guild members
Lorethian

Joined: 27 Jun 2002 Profile: Friday, 11 June 2004 03:30PM


I play in a PW and am looking for a character that is survivable through its career not only at 40th level. I am looking for a cleric/Monk build that will give me decent AC because this world is very low magic. I sure could use your thoughts on this.


you should get a reply now it,s in the right thread
Hi,

This might be a build you'd like. It was made by SBully and posted by Cdaulepp. Here it is :

Quote: Posted 03/15/04 16:15:31 (GMT) by SBully

This is a monk/cleric/weaponmaster build that is tons of fun to play. Moreover, I think it is one of the toughest builds even if it doesn't have Dev. Crit.

Class: 12 Cle/3 Mnk/25 WM Race: Human

Stats
STR 14
DEX 15(28) + 12
CON 10 + 12
WIS 15(16) + 12
INT 14
CHA 8

Abil. increase /Feats/Class
1 Dodge, Mobility Mnk
2 Cle
3 WF Kama Cle
4 WIS Cle
5 Cle
6 Expertise Cle
7 Cle
8 DEX Cle
9 Spring Atk Cle
10 Cle
11 Cle
12 DEX WhirlWind Cle
13 Wpm
14 Wpm
15 W Finesse Wpm
16 DEX Wpm
17 MNK
18 Extend Spell Wpm
19 Wpm
20 DEX Wpm
21 Amb Wpm
22 Cle
23 Wpm
24 DEX 2Weap Fight Wpm
25 Wpm
26 Wpm
27 ITWF,Epic WF:Kama Wpm
28 DEX Wpm
29 Wpm
30 G DEX, Epic Prowess Wpm
31 Wpm
32 DEX Wpm
33 G DEX, Armor Skin Wpm
34 Wpm
35 Wpm
36 DEX G DX, Imp. Crit. Km Wpm
37 Mnk
38 Wpm
39 G DX Wpm
40 DEX Blinding Speed Wpm

HP
CLE 96
MNK 24
Wpm 250
Total 370
BAB
Base - 26
WF, EWF, EP - 4
Ability Mod. - 9
Bless - 1
Aid - 1
Prayer - 1
Divine Fav - 4
Divine Power - 4
Grt. Mag. Wp - 4
Weap. Master - 7
Total - 61

AC
10 Base
8 Tmb
9 DEX
2 Armor Skin
3 WIS
4 Shield of Faith
4 Magic Vestment
40 Total

Skills
Discipline 43
Spell Craft 25
Concentration 25
Tumble 40
Lore 43
Search 10
Listen 31
Open Lock 2
Intimitate 8

Damage
Kama 1
Strength 3
Darkfire 7
Divine Fav 4
Prayer 1
Battletide 2
Total 18

Saves
Fort - 26
Reflex - 37
Will - 25

Take the Travel and Trickery Domains for Haste and Imp. Invisibility.

Also I love having harm with a fighting build. It really helps kill quickly.

Well tell me what you think.

Cya

SBully,

I love this build. You are a genius. This is one of the toughest builds. With those cleric buffs and extra attack bonus from weapon master, you've got quite the melee character.

AND who can forget you get 50% concealment from improved invisibility! You'll get a ton of attacks each round with haste and divine power. Also, people might be able to reduce your physical damage, but since you do magical and fire damage with your spells you'll be able to hit them every time as long as you connect.

A great build!

cdaulepp

Hope you like it!! Mano
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A Man of War who treads the world's roads alone, as I do, must be quick. Long ago I learned to strike swiftly and without scruple. I trouble no man without cause, but one who attacks me had best resolve himself to die! Looking For following Build.

Fighter/WeaponMaster/Rogue with AB 60+ and AC 70+ without buffs. I'm looking for a build with rdd and uses a scythe with devastating crit, I'm horrible at making builds can anyone help me out?
Quote: Posted 06/14/04 02:00:08 (GMT) -- vodreaux

Looking For following Build.

Fighter/WeaponMaster/Rogue with AB 60+ and AC 70+ without buffs.

LOL. Sarcasm is so hard to judge on the internet.
Quote: Posted 06/14/04 02:55:10 (GMT) -- Das01

I'm looking for a build with rdd and uses a scythe with devastating crit, I'm horrible at making builds can anyone help me out?

Just don't. Scythe has really low crit range, so it kinda sucks for dev crit. And why get a x5 multiplier when it's never going to matter the damage, since they die instantly. Stick to one or the other imo. As for a build, just try 8 bard/10 rdd/22 WM. Lvling order 6 bard-8 RDD-2 Bard-4 WM-2 RDD-rest WM You will need the following feats pre-epic
HUMAN
exotic weapon prof
dodge
mobility
expertise
spring attack
whirlwind
weapon focus scythe

imp crit scythe

The first 7 are needed JUST to use WM.
Starting stats something like:
str 16
dex 14
con 12
int 14
wis 8
chr 12

For max ab, and dev crit dc and to max 1.5x multiplying to str dmg get a buncha gr str. After getting ep wf, ep prowness, armor skin, overwhelm, dev you have 6 feats remaining for 6 gr str.

Ending stats could be
str 40
dex 14
con 14
int 16
wis 8
chr 14

ab something like 26+15+5+4+2 = 52
dmg 8+22 = 30
ac(full plate) = 28

all this is off the top of my head, so numbers might be wrong and I probally missed something big I have been trying to use a ranger in a competitive PvP enviroment for quite some time and my latest build idea was to try and combine a healthy bane of enemies w/ self concealment for defense. The server I have been playing has true seeing nerfed vs concealment and HIPS and just regular sneaking around I believe it uses a DC of caster level vs skill level and is basicly just a long lasting amplify or clair-audiance/voyance. I could be wrong though I never live long enough to find out hehe. Anyway if you guys could help mne out I would much appreciate it. I'm looking for a wizard or sorc build with all epic spells besides the mummy one. It wouldnt hurt if i was immue to crits and sneak attacks, this is for howards lotr server.


Edit: the build has to be neutral and i don't want to use any other weapon then a staff.

Edited By Das01 on 06/16/04 22:42

I always wanted to make Robin Hood because its just seems like fun to make remake the Chracter Robin Hood i need some i am sending this in as a Build Request somone please help me here PVP char i guess Hi guys,

I haven’t played in like 2+ years, yet i lost the battle vs. addiction.

I would like to make a Pure fist-using Dex-monk for PvP use . The char may not be dependant of any magical equipment. I prefer as race Human. (since they look leet ;p)

The problem is that due to me quitting nwn for quite some time, I am not able to create a good build. This is because I don’t know what happened during the time I was not busy with nwn.

I have searched the forums, yet the only builds were those that didnt fit my criteria, such as the pure str monk build I found. I personally never liked str-monks. I also found a lot of multiclassed builds. I really want a Pure monk. I never have played with the new prestige classes, such as shadowdancer etc. So I don’t know the possibilities with these classes.

I found some stuff in the search that made me think:

Quote: Posted 06/22/04 23:33:51 (GMT) by Herbie Shimmer

The most fun monk I played was a Dex-based Monk 30 / Fighter 5 / Shadowdancer 5, he was awesome. He kind of combined the qualities of a stealth based Monk with power of a typical Fighter/Monk multiclass. He could hide in plain sight, get really good AC and epic dodge, and still pack a punch with 6 attacks per round.

He took Epic Weapon Specialisation to make up for the lack of damage caused by low Strength and some Improved Spell Resistance feats to get him up to 46 SR, which was good enough to stop most multiclassed casters. But the best thing about him was that with the Blinding Speed feat and all his Monk Speed, even whiule he was in stealth mode he still moved faster than a lot of other characters I've played!

Quote: Posted 06/14/04 12:31:04 (GMT) by ManOWarr

Quote: Posted 06/13/04 21:16:31 (GMT) by TeH-Blackguard

Hi lately I've been really interested with monks and would like to know from any of the good monk players on here, if they can help me make a good fist monk... I am hoping for it to be a predominantly PURE monk, with maybe something like fighter thrown in for epic specialization in fists...Please help, I'm having a hard time to make a monk with decent AB.
Hi Teh-BG,

Here's a build posted by Torias in the excellent character thread.

Ultimate Monk (Monk 40) by Torias

Someone claimed that monks were weak, so I made the Ultimate Monk to prove them wrong...

Call her ugly and she'll kick your ***


Half-Orc, Lawful Good
str 18 (finish at 32)
dex 15
con 14
int 6
wis 14
cha 6

Stat Increases: Strength at every chance

Skills: Discipline every level, Tumble Cross Classed every odd level.

Feats:

1. Toughness
3. Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike)
6. Circle Kick
9. Power Attack
12.. Improved Critical (Unarmed Strike)
15. Great Cleave
18. Blind Fight
21. Epic Weapn Focus (Unarmed Strike)
24. Overwhelming Critical (Unarmed Strike)
25. Armour Skin
27. Great Strength I
30. Devastating Critical (Unarmed Strike), Improved Spell Resistance I
33. Great Strength II
35. Improved Spell Resistance II
36. Great Strength III
39. Great Strength IV
40. Improved Spell Resistance III

Equipment: None.

Magical Item Preferences: Str, Wis, Dex, Con boosting items (that order of preference), AC boosting items, physical and elemental Damage resistance.

Special Capabilities
32 AC naked. can be easily enhanced to 57 using +5 AC items and +6 stat items.

56 Spell Resistance. A pure spell caster with epic spell penetration only has a 50% chance of overcoming it.

Decent saving throws (not great, but decent).

Hits very often, 7 - 9 attacks per round... 6 from flurry of blows, +1 from circle kick, +1 or 2 from great cleave.

Hits very hard, 1d20 + 11 base damage...

Has Devastating Critical in unarmed attack. instant death is always a nice wildcard.

Hope you like it,Mano


Quote: Posted 05/12/04 05:33:59 (GMT) -- Mithdradates

This build was originally posted on April 21.
Click Here
7th post down.

Everyone always mentions the Monk with a high SR as a problem for casters but I don't think I've seen a detailed post for one. This build has an SR that's 4 points lower than the max. but in return picks up UMD for spellcasting a 40 spellcraft for save bonuses and HiPS. A pure level 40 caster will be able to lower the SR with Mordenkainen's Disjunction and have a good chance to bypass his SR with spells, a mixed caster probably will not be able to do anything against his SR, and saves.

Advantages

-43 Use Magic Device. He can use scrolls to cast spells.
-66 Spell Resistance. He will still have trouble with pure casters, but multiclassed mages shouldn't be able to touch him.
-Improved Evasion. Throwing in the spellcraft bonus, he has a foritude save of 31, a reflex save of 40 and a will save of 33. If a spell does get by his spell resistance he still has a good chance to avoid damage.
-43 Taunt. On a sucessful taunt he can induce a 30% spell failure in an enemy caster.
-Hide in Plain Sight. He can get the drop on any caster that doesn't have true sight in effect (or has had true sight dispelled) and can vanish again.
-Monk immunities. These include immunity to mind spells, 20/+1 damage reduction and immunity to disease and poison.
-Empty Body.

Disadvantages

-Low Hitpoints
-Low AB.


Mage Bane

Race: Elf (Subrace: Drow)

Alignment: Any Lawful

Base Attributes
STR 12
DEX 18
CON 10
WIS 14
INT 14
CHA 8

Leveling Guide
Levels 1-38 Monk
Level 39 Shadow Dancer
Level 40 Bard

Final Level Distribution
Bard 1
Monk 38
Shadow Dancer 1

Attribute Bonuses(i)
All 10 go to Dexterity

(i)Feats
Level 1: Luck of Heroes
Level 3: Weapon Finesse
Level 6: Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike)
Level 9: Dodge
Level 12: Mobility
Level 15: Blind Fight
Level 18: Toughness
Level 21: Epic Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike)
Level 24: Improved Spell Resistance I
Level 25: Improved Spell Resistance II
Level 27: Improved Spell Resistance III
Level 30: Improved Spell Resistance IV, Improved Spell Resistance V
Level 33: Improved Spell Resistance VI
Level 35: Improved Spell Resistance VII
Level 36: Improved Spell Resistance VIII
Level 39: Improved Spell Resistance IX

Final Attributes
STR 14
DEX 28
CON 10
WIS 14
INT 12
cHA 8

Final Saves
Fortitude 23
Reflexes 32
Will 25

Spell Resistance 66

Skillpoints 260
Discipline 40
Hide 27
Move Silently 27
Spellcraft 40
Tumble 40
Taunt 43
Use Magic Device 43

Skillpoint Distribution
Level 1: Discipline 4, Hide 4, Move Silently 4, Tumble 4, Save 8
Level 2: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 10
Level 3: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 12
Level 4: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 14
Level 5: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 16
Level 6: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 18
Level 7: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 20
Level 8: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 22
Level 9: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 24
Level 10: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 26
Level 11: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 28
Level 12: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 30
Level 13: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 32
Level 14: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 34
Level 15: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 36
Level 16: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 38
Level 17: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 40
Level 18: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 42
Level 19: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 44
Level 20: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 46
Level 21: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 48
Level 22: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 50
Level 23: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 52
Level 24: Discipline 1, Hide 1, Move Silently 1, Tumble 1, Save 54
Level 25: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 58
Level 26: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 62
Level 27: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 66
Level 28: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 70
Level 29: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 74
Level 30: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 78
Level 31: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 82
Level 32: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 86
Level 33: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 90
Level 34: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 94
Level 35: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 98
Level 36: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 102
Level 37: Discipline 1, Tumble 1, Save 106
Level 38: Save 112
Level 39: Save 120
Level 40: Spellcraft 40, Taunt 43, Use Magic Device 43

AB and Damage

(no buffs, unarmed)
37/34/31/28/25 1+1D20 (20 X2)

(+12 STR, +12 DEX, True Strike, +5 bludgeoning gloves)
63/60/57/54/51 12+1D20 (20 X2)

AC 33 (No Items, no buffs)

Hit Points 361 (Max. every level)
As you can see, I only saw posts that didn’t meet my criteria. Yet what i want is not that strict, since I just don’t know that much about what happened on the area of monks during my time away.

I hope that you all can help me.
Quote: Posted 07/07/04 14:07:21 (GMT) -- DeusElite

Hi guys,

I haven’t played in like 2+ years, yet i lost the battle vs. addiction.

I would like to make a Pure fist-using Dex-monk for PvP use . The char may not be dependant of any magical equipment. I prefer as race Human. (since they look leet ;p)

Well that 30 monk/5 fighter/5 SD is a pretty nice build, but if you want as much SR as possible a 34 monk/5 fighter/1 SD is a good choice. In PvP it's all about min maxing, so do you want a char good against melee or good against casters? 4 fighter levels pre epic allow you to get 6 attacks/round with fists, and the epic weapon specialization adds 6 to your dmg which is very important for a dex based build. Versus melee you would really want to multiclass a monk, more than 20 in it is useless. I've also found that in pvp a kama based monk with tons of attacks/round is most effective against melee.
Against casters a pure monk is the only way to go, with the 10 spell resistance feats, 1 lvl of SD can help alot though true seeing will usually negate that.
So it's kinda tough to give ya what you are looking for, pvm there and tons of really good monk builds but except for against casters monks are generally not the greatest pvp chars.
Quote: Posted 07/07/04 18:34:24 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

Quote: Posted 07/07/04 14:07:21 (GMT) -- DeusElite

Hi guys,

I haven’t played in like 2+ years, yet i lost the battle vs. addiction.

I would like to make a Pure fist-using Dex-monk for PvP use . The char may not be dependant of any magical equipment. I prefer as race Human. (since they look leet ;p)

Well that 30 monk/5 fighter/5 SD is a pretty nice build, but if you want as much SR as possible a 34 monk/5 fighter/1 SD is a good choice. In PvP it's all about min maxing, so do you want a char good against melee or good against casters? 4 fighter levels pre epic allow you to get 6 attacks/round with fists, and the epic weapon specialization adds 6 to your dmg which is very important for a dex based build. Versus melee you would really want to multiclass a monk, more than 20 in it is useless. I've also found that in pvp a kama based monk with tons of attacks/round is most effective against melee.
Against casters a pure monk is the only way to go, with the 10 spell resistance feats, 1 lvl of SD can help alot though true seeing will usually negate that.
So it's kinda tough to give ya what you are looking for, pvm there and tons of really good monk builds but except for against casters monks are generally not the greatest pvp chars.
Well, i know that multiclassing is good if you want to beat some melee chars, but i really liekd the fact that pure monsk have the good SR and could take on mages. I really want the monk to be a pure dex monk. I only dont know how to build one with all the new feats etc. I hope you all can help me.
Quote: Posted 07/07/04 22:00:08 (GMT) -- DeusElite

Quote: Posted 07/07/04 18:34:24 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

Quote: Posted 07/07/04 14:07:21 (GMT) -- DeusElite

Hi guys,

I haven’t played in like 2+ years, yet i lost the battle vs. addiction.

I would like to make a Pure fist-using Dex-monk for PvP use . The char may not be dependant of any magical equipment. I prefer as race Human. (since they look leet ;p)

Well that 30 monk/5 fighter/5 SD is a pretty nice build, but if you want as much SR as possible a 34 monk/5 fighter/1 SD is a good choice. In PvP it's all about min maxing, so do you want a char good against melee or good against casters? 4 fighter levels pre epic allow you to get 6 attacks/round with fists, and the epic weapon specialization adds 6 to your dmg which is very important for a dex based build. Versus melee you would really want to multiclass a monk, more than 20 in it is useless. I've also found that in pvp a kama based monk with tons of attacks/round is most effective against melee.
Against casters a pure monk is the only way to go, with the 10 spell resistance feats, 1 lvl of SD can help alot though true seeing will usually negate that.
So it's kinda tough to give ya what you are looking for, pvm there and tons of really good monk builds but except for against casters monks are generally not the greatest pvp chars.
Well, i know that multiclassing is good if you want to beat some melee chars, but i really liekd the fact that pure monsk have the good SR and could take on mages. I really want the monk to be a pure dex monk. I only dont know how to build one with all the new feats etc. I hope you all can help me.

You can try using this guide.

Click Here

This grimiore describes every thing in the NWN, and even they have corrected description. Such as one of the special feat is supposed to be taken at level 13, while the bioware's descriptions says that you will take that feat at level 10. The example that I used is from Weapon Master, you have to have 13 levels of Weapon Master to get Epic Superior Weapon Focus.

It is extremely useful when you are building epic characters.

Hope this helps you out.

Anuis Hi Everybody!

I'm going to be creating a vampire priest PC on the server I play on soon and I was wondering how to go about it.

I've had an extensive look in the Epic builds but still haven't found what I'd like. The closest build would be Kevan Best's "Bane of Life".

I like the cleric and BG combo but would rather not have the assassin in there.

Any tips?
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I make it a personal rule not to argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level then defeat you with experience.
Quote: Posted 07/11/04 15:03:45 (GMT) -- juicyplasma

Hi Everybody!

I'm going to be creating a vampire priest PC on the server I play on soon and I was wondering how to go about it.

I've had an extensive look in the Epic builds but still haven't found what I'd like. The closest build would be Kevan Best's "Bane of Life".

I like the cleric and BG combo but would rather not have the assassin in there.

Any tips?

Vampire priest? Bizarre. Why not use vampire form?
Quote: Posted 07/12/04 00:33:24 (GMT) -- evo_dragon
Vampire priest? Bizarre. Why not use vampire form?

It's an undead monster character that the server lets you have upon request. And in order to be approved, a vampire is only allowed to be a meleer\priest(ie. uses divine magic)
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I make it a personal rule not to argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level then defeat you with experience. Has anyone seen a Blackguard/Monk/Sorceror? If not, could someone give one a go, it would be very much appreciated.

- ELB was thinking of a rogue/dwarven defender.

you get some nice rogue stuff,ie. imp evasion sneak attack, skills. plus you can get nice damage reduction.
something in the area of 12-15 rogue and the rest dd. get ten rogue first to get base attack up high enough to take dd. then only take a rogue only a few times to keep skills updated so that you can make it more playable. also could be make a dexer or str based which ever suits you. but i think the str based would give you more feats to play with.

dont know if this has been done before but. i know you experts coudl tweak it so it would work nicely. hi
ELB2.......try this..

Defiler Of The Silt Sea (Monk 6 / B Guard 2/Sorc 32)...By Darchen

Edited By griphook on 07/18/04 12:04

Finally!!! HEAVILY DEFENSIVE FIGHTER-RELATED CHARACTER!

I keep trying, but I can never get a heavily defensive character without losing a whole bunch of attack bonuses, PLEASE HELP! hi
kronosthealmighy1
something like this maybe....

1st post

or this..

post 7 by (terorcon)

or this...

post 14 by signus foehammer

Edited By griphook on 07/20/04 13:05

Hey, I was just looking through the forums for a cleric-build and there are a TON. However, I'm having trouble picking one. Anyone got a favorite for a good-aligned dev-crit cleric?

Thanks in advance sorry, make that chaotic-good aligned, bioware wont let me edit the post 1/2 the fun of NWN is trying to make a build and have it work. You guys need to test builds first, come to the site, post your build, then ask if anyone has any ideas how to make it better. That'll save a lot of time as opposed to having the mods look for builds that you request..I dunno thats just my honest opinion. Ok, so my next PC will be a human monk. I've looked everywhere for such a build but almost all monk builds I find aren't human.

I've tried fiddling around with it in a trainer but never get any real desired results.

Can anyone point me to a human monk build or even just give some tips. Anything would help greatly.

Edit: Woops, how ironic is it that I post this right after that post. I'll go back to the drawing board then post up my build like you said. Cheers.

Edited By juicyplasma on 07/24/04 04:22

Build moved to Epic Character Build,s Thread

Edited By griphook on 07/25/04 12:54

hi Ryouko_
thank,s but i don,t mind giving link,s to build,s if i have them in my notes,. i don,t look for them....if i don,t give a link it,s because i don,t have the build that person is after in my notes

juicyplasma
can you post your build in the epic character build,s
thread,.this is the general discussion thread or i,ll
move it there for you if you like... also look in the build,s index "Torias" has a lvl 40 monk build there
Build,s Index


Nitricity
there is a 30 min time limit to edit a post after posting

griphook

Edited By griphook on 07/24/04 12:52

Quote: Posted 07/24/04 12:43:07 (GMT) -- griphook

juicyplasma
can you post your build in the epic character build,s
thread,.this is the general discussion thread or i,ll
move it there for you if you like... also look in the build,s index "Torias" has a lvl 40 monk build there
Build,s Index

griphook

Sure thing, you can move it there. The only reason I didn't post there was coz this is my first build ever and I thought it'd be pretty crap compared to the rest so I wanted to make sure it was ok first.

Yeah, I've seen Torias' Monk Build... but it's Half-Orc ... me wants human (quote)Posted 07/24/04 13:44:37 (GMT) -- juicyplasma



Sure thing, you can move it there. The only reason I didn't post there was coz this is my first build ever and I thought it'd be pretty crap compared to the rest so I wanted to make sure it was ok first.

Yeah, I've seen Torias' Monk Build... but it's Half-Orc ... me wants human (/quote)

ok will do..thats where you,ll get comments to improve your build...... as for human, . .i,ll check my notes and get back to you

Human Monk LvL 40
by MsAnnThrope

griphook

Edited By griphook on 07/25/04 12:35

Author
tanassi
"you know this build"?

Joined: 17 Sep 2002 Profile: Saturday, 31 July 2004 10:46PM
I was on a server today and somebody told me about the
you know this build

following build:
23 pally
1 bard
16 pm

I know this mean alligment shift, but supposedly if you dex this guy and take the 16th pm level at the right moment for epic spell you get a blinder of a build. To some ppl i spoke to on the server it is the most powerfull around.

Does anyone know where to find it?
If not, can somebody write it out? (a nice challenge)

Edited By griphook on 08/01/04 00:47

Quote: Posted 08/01/04 00:45:27 (GMT) -- griphook

I was on a server today and somebody told me about the
you know this build

following build:
23 pally
1 bard
16 pm

I know this mean alligment shift, but supposedly if you dex this guy and take the 16th pm level at the right moment for epic spell you get a blinder of a build. To some ppl i spoke to on the server it is the most powerfull around.

Does anyone know where to find it?
If not, can somebody write it out? (a nice challenge)

Unless the manual is wrong the build isnt even legal.

You need 3 levels in an arcane class to get palemaster, so you need at least 3 levels of bard.

Syrath
Quote: Posted 08/01/04 00:54:36 (GMT) -- syrath1001

Quote: Posted 08/01/04 00:45:27 (GMT) -- griphook

I was on a server today and somebody told me about the
you know this build

following build:
23 pally
1 bard
16 pm

I know this mean alligment shift, but supposedly if you dex this guy and take the 16th pm level at the right moment for epic spell you get a blinder of a build. To some ppl i spoke to on the server it is the most powerfull around.

Does anyone know where to find it?
If not, can somebody write it out? (a nice challenge)

Unless the manual is wrong the build isnt even legal.

You need 3 levels in an arcane class to get palemaster, so you need at least 3 levels of bard.

Syrath

Yes you require 3 levels of bard to take PM, making this build illegal and those that told him to do this build not worth listening to. 16 PM makes any melee build quite powerful, but you have to make sure you aren't sacrificing too much since it requires 2 classes and 19 levels to achieve.

Edited By evo_dragon on 08/01/04 01:44

Also with the paly/pm/bard build, it requires several alignemnt shifts, not just one. Sometimes I really wish NWN coded paladins who were not lawful good to lose their abilities. I'll second that emril.

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Haln

Joined: 28 Dec 2003
From: Lake Havasu, AZ
Profile: Friday, 30 July 2004 12:43AM
I’ve been LANing with a fighter/weapon master for a few days now, and am generally quite happy with the way the character is turning out, however, I’m interested to see what you members will come up with using similar rules. Therefore, this is a call to arms to build the best fighter/weapon master. Here’s the rules.

- The character needs to duel wield bastard swords
- He should have all the important WM feats, including dev. critical.
- High STR, but decent HP as well.
- He must be a feasible campaign character.
- Must be a legal character

That’s all I can think of at the moment, and I intend to post what I’ve done with the character for comparison. Until I do, I’d appreciate if someone gives it a try. Thanks.

evo_dragon

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Profile: Friday, 30 July 2004 01:53AM
Not much to it. Could go fighter/wm or fighter/wm/dd or fighter/wm/cot.

Dual wielding bastard swords gimps you with the 15 dex requirement and -4ab penalty, which means it won't be much of a power build.

A fighter 8/COT 10/22 WM will give ya good AB, good saves, lotsa feats and so forth. Since you want wm, twf and dev crit that requires 14 feats JUST for those things which means ya need lots of feats.

Dwarf
str 16
dex 15
con 16
int 14
wis 8
chr 6

6 Fighter
7 WM
2 Fighter
5 COT
5 COT
15 WM


Feats
Pre epic(14) - dodge, mobility, expertise, spring attack, whirlwind, wf bastard sword, exotic wp prof then imp crit bastard sword, ambi, twf, itwf, cleave, great cleave, wp spec bastard
Epic (14) - Gr str 6, Ep WF, Armor Skin, ep wp spec bastard, epic prowness, overwhelming, dev crit, toughness

str 32
dex 15
con 16
int 14
wis 8
chr 6

hp - 400 + 120 + 40 = 560hp
ab - 30 + 11 + 4 + 5 =
50/45/40/35 1-10 + 17(16-20)x3

dual wielding
46/41/36/31 1-10 + 17(16-20)x3
46/41

Agent of greater will

Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Profile: Friday, 30 July 2004 04:17PM
The best soloing weapon master builds are Bard/RDD/Weapon master.

Ftr hardly adds anything unique, RDD gives lots of STR, bard skills and ac in form of tumble and songs and saves in form of spellcraft. Spells like Wounding Whisper and Improved Invisibilty will increase your lifespan tenfold!

A greater str score will make sure your damage is on par with the fighter build's specialization bonuses. And then, your songs and warcry magics will make you surpass the ftr build in meele capabilities.

High AC enemy? Taunt him, and for the sake of it drop a curse song on him.

recomended level allocation is bard 23/RDD0/WM7


Creating a ftr/wm/xxx build is beneath my notice and consequently I will not lower myself into making such a boring build!

Ps. Try making a barb/wm, to put those intimidation points to some use with your terrifying rage.

Agent of greater will

Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Profile: Friday, 30 July 2004 04:23PM
last note, DON'T DUAL WEILD BASTARD SWORD!

Get Short Swords instead. They do an equally great job and they require no exotic weapon profiency!
That is if you aren't trying to overcompensate for something, if your confidence feels better with those two big swords in your palms, then you should go for them!

evo_dragon

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Profile: Friday, 30 July 2004 08:34PM
I've never been a fan of going wm without any fighter of cot levels, you just end up wasting all your feats pre epic and all you gain is a slightly better crit range and multiplier. You definelty won't be able to get dual wielding with WM without digging into epic feats. As I mentioned to get wm, dual wielding and dev crit it costs 14 feats, your bard/rdd/wm gets a total of 16 feats which will result in an incrediably gimped build.

Lockindal

Joined: 14 Jul 2002
From: North Canton, OH.
Profile: Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:02AM
Quote: Posted 07/30/04 15:17:38 (GMT) -- Agent of greater will

The best soloing weapon master builds are Bard/RDD/Weapon master.

Only at level 40.

The build sucks until later levels.

Extremely slow to develop ultra powerful character. ESDUPC.

Oh, also, it can't dual wield :b

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Lockindal

Joined: 14 Jul 2002
From: North Canton, OH.
Profile: Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:13AM
And now... since this isn't for PvP, I can modify this build for your needs.

Personally though, I suggest Scimitars over Bastard Swords. Bastard Swords aren't worth the feat. I will go under the assumption you will use scimitars. Then I will tell you what you will have to sacrifice to do Bastard Sword.

Race: Human

Statistics:
STR 16
DEX 15
CON 14
WIS 8
INT 14
CHA 8

and levels: Fighter 12 / Weapon Master 25 / Rogue 3 (alternatively, lose 2d6 sneaks and evasion and uncanny dodge and take Bard 3 for a mediocre song and SPELLCRAFT to help against spells)

Intimidate (4), Listen: 43, Discipline: 42, Tumble: 40, UMD: 43 (if applicable to the server), Some rogue skills? Not sure, you'll have around 34 points to spend. Maybe get ranks in hide and ms.

Fighter 1 - WF: Scimitar, Two-Weapon Fighting, Ambidexterity
Fighter 2 - Dodge
Fighter 3 - Mobility
Fighter 4 - Spring Attack
Fighter 6 - Whirlwind Attack
Weapon Master 3 - Power Attack
Weapon Master 6 - Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Fighter 8 / Weapon Master 7 - Cleave, Great Cleave
Fighter 10 / Weapon Master 8 - Weapon Specialization: Scimitar, Improved Critical: Scimitar
Weapon Master 10 - Nothing. STR is 21.
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Epic

Weapon Master 11 - Blind-Fight
Weapon Master 12*
Rogue 1 - (Tumble 25, UMD: 25, major improvement)
Weapon Master 13 - Epic Weapon Focus: Scimitar, Great Strength I
Weapon Master 16 - Great Strength II, Overwhelming Critical: Scimitar
Weapon Master 19 - Great Strength III, Devastating Critical: Scimitar
Fighter 12 - Epic Weapon Specialization: Scimitar
Rogue 2 - Knockdown
Weapon Master 22 - Great Strength IV, Armor Skin
Weapon Master 25 - Epic Prowess, Improved Knockdown
Rogue 3 * Whee, more skills! And 2d6 sneak!

A bit slower to develop than I like... but meh.

Works out pretty good.

To get Bastard Sword, you'll have to sacrifice a great strength (and miaswell lose two and get something else) in epic, get 9 ftr lvls before the wm lvls, and push all feats back.

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Agent of greater will

Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Profile: Saturday, 31 July 2004 12:22PM
Quote: Posted 07/31/04 03:02:39 (GMT) -- Lockindal
Only at level 40.

The build sucks until later levels.

Extremely slow to develop ultra powerful character. ESDUPC.

Oh, also, it can't dual wield :b

~ Lock.

As soon as you get to epic it is great, though if you are going to pair Bard/RDD with something it should rather be a class that gives you 4 levels of power!
And that would be... Paladin, ftr if you need spec and a couple of feats, Blackguard or CoT.

Drawback with bard builds will be that they will always lack feats. Hi all,

I'm looking for a Paladin/Sorcerer build. The build should be able to cast 4th level Paladin spells and 9th level Sorcerer spells (possibly epic spells). Auto Still III will probably be a must have feat. I'm thinking maybe 17 Paladin/22 Sorcerer/1 of something else? Or 18 Paladin/22 Sorcerer. I'm trying to stay away from any DD levels. I'm sure there has to be a powerful build out there somewhere similar to this who can cast spells with a respectable DC and also dish out some damage with his Holy Avenger. Any ideas?

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Daveo1337

Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Profile: Sunday, 08 August 2004 04:34AM
I have a request for a build, since I have no experience making clerics.
I want to make a melee cleric, with 7 levels of WM, and Scythe as the weapon of choice. Paladin, Fighter, or something else as a third class. Maybe Rapier with a shield could work too if it's more... practical. I play on a moderately high-magic PW, if it helps. Dev crit doesn't work right now, since the DMs are re-scripting it to do 150 extra damage instead of instant death.

I'd also like him to do well in the "survivability" department, but aside from that and what I'd mentioned before you'll have free reign as far as the build is concerned.

Thanks a bunch.

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Daveo1337

Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Profile: Sunday, 08 August 2004 06:15AM
Update: ...I believe I posted this in the wrong forum. This should probably go in HoTU general... is there some way to delete/edit a post, or move a topic?
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Dimundome

Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Profile: Sunday, 08 August 2004 12:53PM
It'll be moved by one of our moderators here.

Also our guild also has a general forum, where you can put these requests
Quote: Posted 08/04/04 07:18:22 (GMT) -- Kelrynn

Hi all,

I'm looking for a Paladin/Sorcerer build. The build should be able to cast 4th level Paladin spells and 9th level Sorcerer spells (possibly epic spells). Auto Still III will probably be a must have feat. I'm thinking maybe 17 Paladin/22 Sorcerer/1 of something else? Or 18 Paladin/22 Sorcerer. I'm trying to stay away from any DD levels. I'm sure there has to be a powerful build out there somewhere similar to this who can cast spells with a respectable DC and also dish out some damage with his Holy Avenger. Any ideas?

Thanks

What about something on the lines of Paladin 15/Sorceror 19/CoT 6? CoT's actually get Auto Still as bonus feats, and would help with saves and whumpbootie. You'd also still cast 4th level Pally and 9th level Sorc spells.
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-- Major Garland Briggs, Twin Peaks there is one build I have seen quite a bit online... its a monk/cleric/ranger.. 1/9/30 or something of the like... any one know this build? it seemed to hold up very well in PVP and they dual weilded Kamas (also one had around 800hp).. although I do not know if they exploited at all

I have been trying to make a monk/cleric/melee class combo, because I feel that it would be very efficient in PVP combat.. I was thinking of going with fighter for the feats, but I suppose a barbarian or CoT could do quite well in its place... although I cant seem to get enough attacks per round or hp, etc... Any Ideas?
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It's just the birth of something new. Disregard my last request.

I want to try something, though, some kind of hit-and-run sneaker.

I was thinking of some high-str character with a greatsword, with some Assassin for sneak damage and at least one level Shadowdancer for HiPS. Only problem I can see right now is that I can't find a class with martial proficiency and Hide as a class skill together.
Quote: Posted 08/12/04 02:26:28 (GMT) -- Daveo1337

Disregard my last request.

I want to try something, though, some kind of hit-and-run sneaker.

I was thinking of some high-str character with a greatsword, with some Assassin for sneak damage and at least one level Shadowdancer for HiPS. Only problem I can see right now is that I can't find a class with martial proficiency and Hide as a class skill together.

Ranger
Quote: Posted 08/12/04 06:47:49 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

Quote: Posted 08/12/04 02:26:28 (GMT) -- Daveo1337

Disregard my last request.

I want to try something, though, some kind of hit-and-run sneaker.

I was thinking of some high-str character with a greatsword, with some Assassin for sneak damage and at least one level Shadowdancer for HiPS. Only problem I can see right now is that I can't find a class with martial proficiency and Hide as a class skill together.

Ranger

The other option is if you want a different class, you pick elf as a race to use longsword, short sword, rapier, and both bows.
Quote: Posted 08/12/04 16:34:37 (GMT) -- Emrill

Quote: Posted 08/12/04 06:47:49 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

Quote: Posted 08/12/04 02:26:28 (GMT) -- Daveo1337

Disregard my last request.

I want to try something, though, some kind of hit-and-run sneaker.

I was thinking of some high-str character with a greatsword, with some Assassin for sneak damage and at least one level Shadowdancer for HiPS. Only problem I can see right now is that I can't find a class with martial proficiency and Hide as a class skill together.

Ranger

The other option is if you want a different class, you pick elf as a race to use longsword, short sword, rapier, and both bows.

Allow me to pimp my own build -- The Kama Ghost (final iteration). 8 attacks, sneak, HIPS, Epic Dodge, Self Conceal V. You could also try my Shadow Avenger, which is a lot like what you're looking for, but it's a tad inefficient. High STR weapons and effective stealth can be difficult to achieve in the same character.

In any case, I wouldn't use Assassin. From what I've been told, Death Attack only works once per enemy per round -- and if they make their save, they don't take the extra damage. Standard sneak can do damage over and over again.

If you do end up with a strong build, please post it! I've been gnawing on the idea myself and not coming up with anything.
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Quote: Posted 08/12/04 17:44:58 (GMT) -- kreestopearq

In any case, I wouldn't use Assassin. From what I've been told, Death Attack only works once per enemy per round -- and if they make their save, they don't take the extra damage. Standard sneak can do damage over and over again.

If you do end up with a strong build, please post it! I've been gnawing on the idea myself and not coming up with anything.

Kree,

The Death Attack doesn't work once per round, it only fires on the very first attack of the melee.

However, DA is actually the same as a Sneak Attack. The Death aspect is only for the paralyzation effect on the first attack. In all other respects, it functions the same as a Sneak Attack (So you'd get as many sneak attacks as a Rogue would in the same circumstances). Therefore, IMHO it is actually somewhat better than SA because you have that possibility of stunning your opponent on the first attack.
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Quote: Posted 08/12/04 19:38:41 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din

The Death Attack doesn't work once per round, it only fires on the very first attack of the melee.

However, DA is actually the same as a Sneak Attack. The Death aspect is only for the paralyzation effect on the first attack. In all other respects, it functions the same as a Sneak Attack (So you'd get as many sneak attacks as a Rogue would in the same circumstances). Therefore, IMHO it is actually somewhat better than SA because you have that possibility of stunning your opponent on the first attack.

See, that's how I figured it worked, and was told otherwise. Anyone know where to go for a definitive answer? I'd like to know so I can iron out the build (and make a V3.0? yeesh)
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-- Major Garland Briggs, Twin Peaks If you are playing with the base version of NWN and no addons it works like Cin stated. If you have the PRC installed it will work like pnp (which is much more potent).
Quote: Posted 08/13/04 10:43:59 (GMT) -- Emrill

If you are playing with the base version of NWN and no addons it works like Cin stated. If you have the PRC installed it will work like pnp (which is much more potent).

Emrill, how is that implememnted? I'm a little fuzzy on the PnP Assassin, but IIRC, doesn't the Assassin have to study the target for 3 rounds and then has 3 rounds in which to make the attack - and is there a chance of instant death from it? And what about HiPS - does the Assassin gain HiPS (or is that a 3.5 rule)?
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Quote: Posted 08/13/04 15:31:53 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din

Quote: Posted 08/13/04 10:43:59 (GMT) -- Emrill

If you are playing with the base version of NWN and no addons it works like Cin stated. If you have the PRC installed it will work like pnp (which is much more potent).

Emrill, how is that implememnted? I'm a little fuzzy on the PnP Assassin, but IIRC, doesn't the Assassin have to study the target for 3 rounds and then has 3 rounds in which to make the attack - and is there a chance of instant death from it? And what about HiPS - does the Assassin gain HiPS (or is that a 3.5 rule)?

You can find how it is implemented by looking in the PrC script.

Type:

prc_assassin_da
prc_assn_da_hb

The first one is Assassin Death Attack and second one is Assassin Death Attack heartbeat

Those two script will give you the assassin death attack. I haven't looked into it yet and see how it works. But you can check it out and see how it is done.

Anuis Anyone know of a build that has at least 10 levels of pale master, has 45+ ab, and is a monk that uses kamas?

The pw I play on has alignment shifts.
Quote: Posted 08/16/04 15:58:14 (GMT) -- Das01

Anyone know of a build that has at least 10 levels of pale master, has 45+ ab, and is a monk that uses kamas?

The pw I play on has alignment shifts.

bard 16/PM 15/Monk 9

Human
str 10
dex 16
con 12
int 10
wis 14
chr 14

Ending
str 14
dex 30 (4 gr dex)
con 14
int 10
wis 8
chr 14

12 Bard/8 Monk Pre epic

AB -
25 (bab) + 12(dex + cats grace) + 4(wf, ewf, ep) + 2(bard song) + 4(imp knockdown on medium opponent) = 47 ab, 43 when dual wielding and flurry of blows.

AC - huge

Not really the best build, but it would fit in your category. BTW right now you would get 1 epic spell and imp evasion, but if you sacrifices imp evasion you could get +2 ac and 2 more epic spells. Hello All,
Im not requesting a build, but rather inquiring about possibilities. Im at work right now and an idea struck me. I am planning on trying to build this when I get home, but I would like to know if what I am trying to do is even possible. I am not worried about xp penalties, Ill just suck it up.

Would it be possible to create a Ranger/Fighter/WeaponMaster (possibly something like 23/10/7, let me know if there is a better way to do that) with all of these skills:

Weapon Focus Scimitar
Power Attack
Cleave
Weapon Specialization Scimitar
Great Cleave
Two Weapon Fighting
Dodge
Mobility
Expertise
Spring Attack
Whirlwind Attack
Ambidexterity
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Improved Critical Scimitar
Blind Fighting(not really necessary)
Armor Skin(not really necessary)
Bane of Enemies(for whatever is left over at end)
Great Cleave
Overwhelming Critical
Devastating Critical
Epic Weapon Focus(not really necessary, but would like it)
Epic Weapon Specialization (not really necessary)
Great Strength (Im sure Ill need a few of these)
I know, crazy bill gates style christmas list

Is this possible? If so, what level dist/feat progression would you advise?

I dont really need it broken down more than that, with some advise I should be able to post it (if possible) within the next few days.

Thanx,
Solstice/Entropy
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Thanos Vind

Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Profile: Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:42AM
I have looked at all the post but still havent seen that many shifter builds can someone post the best shifter build for pvm?? Thanks alot

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Emrill

Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Profile: Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:12AM
I'll have one up that I've been working on in a day or two. It's a pretty nice little mix with assassin levels. It'll be called my shaper of death build. I need to tweak some levels a bit, but it's very fun so far. It isn't a dragon build though. It is a shifter that uses the various humanoid shapes including minitaur and undeads and outsiders with assassin abilities.

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evo_dragon

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Profile: Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:36AM
Please make build request in the general discussion form under the thread "build requests". Also check out the indexed builds, just find shifter and see what you like.

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Dimundome

Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Profile: Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:17AM
I have several possible builds myself, some inspired by others, some thought up myself (although I don't doubt they already exist somewhere).

I don't remember exactly but they where something like:

- Druid 22/Shifter 16/Monk 2 : all shapes including elemental shapes and access to 9th level and epic spells

- Druid 6/Shifter 16/18 Monk : All shifter shapes and some good monk abilities

- Druid 6/Shifter 13/21 Monk : All shifter shapes and epic monk (has some pro and con compared with the previous one)

And I had one or two tries with Fighter levels instead of Monk and only Undead shape, but that didn't seem to work as well as I hoped. Except for the immunities, the Undead Lord seemed rather weak. I'll need to take a look at some examples I think, to see if I missed something Hello folks. I'm trying to piece together a sneaky barbarian/bard/xx combo. I'd like to do a dex based character with maybe a little bit of assassin or sd thrown in. I think the assassin could work for a little bit of sneak. I really like the idea the HIPS raging barbarian. If not the greatest builder so any advice would be great. Thanks in advance. I would like to request a Cleric build. Some things I want set in stone are, NG align, Human Female, War and Strength domains, warhammer is preferred weapon. I would prolly also choose 5 fighter levels for WF, WS and EWS warhammer. Any other help would be appreciated. Also use prc.
Thanks
Quote: Posted 08/19/04 13:45:52 (GMT) -- 001entropy100

Hello All,
Im not requesting a build, but rather inquiring about possibilities. Im at work right now and an idea struck me. I am planning on trying to build this when I get home, but I would like to know if what I am trying to do is even possible. I am not worried about xp penalties, Ill just suck it up.

Would it be possible to create a Ranger/Fighter/WeaponMaster (possibly something like 23/10/7, let me know if there is a better way to do that) with all of these skills:

Weapon Focus Scimitar
Power Attack
Cleave
Weapon Specialization Scimitar
Great Cleave
Two Weapon Fighting
Dodge
Mobility
Expertise
Spring Attack
Whirlwind Attack
Ambidexterity
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Improved Critical Scimitar
Blind Fighting(not really necessary)
Armor Skin(not really necessary)
Bane of Enemies(for whatever is left over at end)
Great Cleave
Overwhelming Critical
Devastating Critical
Epic Weapon Focus(not really necessary, but would like it)
Epic Weapon Specialization (not really necessary)
Great Strength (Im sure Ill need a few of these)

I know, crazy bill gates style christmas list

Is this possible? If so, what level dist/feat progression would you advise?

I dont really need it broken down more than that, with some advise I should be able to post it (if possible) within the next few days.

Thanx,
Solstice/Entropy

STR 16
DEX 15
1/ Ranger Dodge Mobility
2/ Ranger
3/ Ranger Weapon Focus
4/ Ranger STR 17
5/ Ranger
6/ Ranger Expertise
7/ Ranger
8/ Ranger STR 18
9/ Ranger Spring Attack
10/ Fighter Power Attack
11/ Fighter Cleave
12/ Fighter STR 19 Whirlwind Attack
13/ Fighter Weapon Specialisation
14/ Weapon Master
15/ Weapon Master STR 20 Improved Critical
16/ Weapon Master
17/ Weapon Master
18/ Weapon Master STR 21 Blind Fighter
19/ Weapon Master
20/ Weapon Master STR 22
21/ Fighter Epic Weapon Focus
22/ Fighter Epic Weapon Specialisation
23/ Fighter
24/ Fighter STR 23 Overwhelming Critical
25/ Fighter
26/ Fighter Armor Skin
27/ Ranger Feat
28/ Ranger STR 24
29/ Ranger
30/ Ranger Feat
31/ Ranger
32/ Ranger STR 25
33/ Ranger Devastating Critical
34/ Ranger
35/ Ranger
36/ Ranger Feat
37/ Ranger
38/ Ranger
39/ Ranger Bane of Enemies
40/ Ranger Feat

Theres an outline for you that gets all you need. 9 ranger levels give you the dual wield feats you asked for , the rest are all in there.

Syrath Guys, can you help me with this (evo is busy):

Click Here I sated my earlier need for a sneaker with the "Moveable Wall" build, but I want to try a kind of "powerhouse" melee character using a Scythe or a Greatsword or another two-handed weapon, focusing on dishing out a lot of damage without becoming vulnerable to total annihilation in return. Maybe a Bard/RDD/WM or something, but I'm pretty much open to anything. I'd really like to try a character like that, so any help would be appreciated. Oh, forgot to add-
Dev Crit is currently not in effect in the server, which is high magic. First of all, thank you very much for allowing me to join the guild!

Now .. I am hoping someone can help me with a build here. Have seen and searched for various Monk/Cleric combos (and there are definitely a few out there). Haven't seen very many Monk/WM/Cleric ones though.

Was looking at something mostly Monk .. perhaps along the lines of Monk 20/WM 7/Cleric 13 .. or something such as that.

Has anyone actually run a character like this or have a definite build of a character such as this? Would love to see it done correctly (as I am a somewhat new at epic character builds).

Would be levelling on a PW that doesn't allow devestating crit..

Thanks!

Joe C. Highest base damage build you're going to get will be something like a Bard/Fighter/RDD. I'd probably go Dwarven to boost Con, and make your lvls something like Bard 16/Fighter 14/RDD 10. If you want a higher AC build and don't mind sacrificing a little damage, try Bard 14/PM 16/RDD 10. Not only does this build get high Str and a nice AC, you even have the potential to get up to 3 Epic Spells, and if that's not good enough, you're immune to crits as well.

As for the Monk/Cleric/WM build, I remember one a while back that was Monk 6/Cleric 15/WM 19. You could take more Monk lvls, but then you're sacrificing AB as well as bonus feats from WM, so you have to ask yourself if it's worth it.

One of the disadvantages of a Monk/Cleric/WM build is that since you don't get Uncannny Dodge, you lose your Dex bonus to AC every time you get flanked. Not only that, but it costs a lot of feats in order to take WM in the first place, most of which probably aren't worth taking. If you do decide to take WM, make sure to take enough WM levels so that you really get a benefit out of it.

As an alternative, you might consider Fighter or Rogue. Taking Fighter lvls will still give you a decent AB as well as a lot more feats. If you go Rogue, you're AB won't be quite as good, but you get Uncanny Dodge, you can do more damage with sneak attacks, you get more skill credits, and you have the potential to get Epic Dodge and Crippling Strike. Hey CC, lots of good stuff there, thanks!

Just trying to digest some of the info there..didn't know the Bard/Fighter/RDD would be so potent -- early in the game played Bards and really didn't find them all that impressive. Well, check that .. not that they were useless or anything, just seemed like other classes were better (at least when I was running alone).

You're right about the feats for WM .. takes quite a bit of time to get them and then once you do, they're not all that great (just that you need them to become a WM). Just that when you do, you can get potential for extra crits (would be using dual Kamas on this char in this PW). Possibly more feats with Fighter, but thought the extra crits w/ WM might be worth the tradeoff.

Rogue (or maybe Assassin?) is a definite possibility tho. Like the sneak attacks, uncanny dodge, crippling strike, etc. Think it might go well w/ a monk (and cleric with improved invisibility). Only trouble is, thought I'd concentrate on STR/WIS instead of DEX, so Rogue might not be what I should go for..

Hmm...decisions, decisions...

Joe C. I've made a 14 bard/10 RDD/ 16 PM on the server that I play on and it's pretty much unstopable. I've managed to get the DC on my Dev Crit up to 47 with a crit range of 12-20 so anyone that isn't at least 10 lvls of PM is dead in a few hits. I play on a light magic server and I can get my AC up to 79 so very few people hit me.

The only trouble that I encounter are casters but they even die. Most of the time when they try to cast bigbys on me they don't land. I'm not sure why this is the case. My SR is only 10 and thats because of an item. Plus usually the silence spell that I cast on myself disables them from casting.

The only class that gives me trouble is a pure caster with 10 lvls of PM. With all their shields up i.e. Death Armor, Elemental Shield, and Mestil's Acid Sheath I end up killing myself. Although this can easily be fixed with a few rods of dispelling that I carry. Thanks for the input, highlife.

Could u possibly write out the level progression of this sort of character?

Btw, I took a Monk 20/WM 7/Cleric 13 build to that module that helps you train (Halls of Training deluxe, I think...excellent mod), and was fairly satisified w/ the char. Took Kamas (and used improved crit on them, as well as the weapon of choice for WM) and really enjoyed the multiple attacks w/ them. Only thing I messed up on is not getting his strength up enough for Overwhelming Critical. Will have to redo it..

Though still I wonder how well he'd survive on that PW against epic boss types. I mean there is one that has a really high AB and can dish out 150HP/round easily. So basically was going to go one of two ways...excellent AC/DR or go mucho offensive. Would be nice to combine the two tho.

I looked at that Epic Builders char that uses a Scythe...definitely is tempting to run w/ that sort of critical damage. Though I've never seen a good scythe in that PW that I'm on...

So anyway, was now looking at trying some sort of Fighter/WM/Palemaster or some other type of good build that can dish out damage and also be fairly good defensively too...

Thank ye,

Joe C. hi
JettaJoe
how about something like this ..maybe...
Sacred PriestessGood attack+Defence
post 5 by"MsAnnThrope"

griphook I believe I have a pretty good idea here. A bard/CoT/ and another class as well RDD would work but I do not like the class and its not what I'm looking for . I believe this build would be quite versatile because it has bard and Cot. It should be for soloing or in small groups preferably. I would build it my self but school keeps me so busy. I would appreciate it if someone found a build like this for me or built it themselves.
Thanks
CS
Quote: Posted 09/11/04 16:56:35 (GMT) -- ctasemelka

I believe I have a pretty good idea here. A bard/CoT/ and another class as well RDD would work but I do not like the class and its not what I'm looking for . I believe this build would be quite versatile because it has bard and Cot. It should be for soloing or in small groups preferably. I would build it my self but school keeps me so busy. I would appreciate it if someone found a build like this for me or built it themselves.
Thanks
CS

That's easy, try this:


Singing Saint

Bard 16/Cleric 16/Champion of Torm 8
(pre-epic Bard 8/Cleric 8/CoT 4)

Race: Human

Domains: Strength and Healing


Stats

Starting:

Str 14
Dex 8
Con 14
Int 14
Wis 14
Cha 14

Put 4 points into Wis, and the rest into Str

Ending:

Str 26
Dex 8
Con 14
Int 14
Wis 18
Cha 14

Feats

1 Power Attack, Cleave
3 Extend Spell
6 Still Spell
9 Toughness
12 Weapon Focus CoT: Knockdown OR Disarm
15 Imp. Crit. CoT: Improved Knockdown OR Improved Disarm
18 Great Cleave
21 Epic Weapon Focus
24 Great Str I
27 Great Str II
30 Great Str III
33 Great Str IV
36 Great Str V, CoT: Overwhelming Crit.
39 Great Str VI, CoT: Dev. Crit

Epic leveling progression:

21-28 Cleric
29-35 Bard
36-39 CoT
40 Bard


Skills:

Concentration: 43
Discipline: 43
Healing: 40
Spellcraft: 43
Taunt: 43
Tumble: 41


Total: 253 skill credits

AB: 26 base
+8 Str
+1 WF
+2 EWF
_______
37 w/ mundane Scimitar

AC: 10 base
-1 Dex
+8 Full Plate
+3 Tower Shield
+8 Tumble
_______
28 AC in mundane armor

HP: 424 max unbuffed health


This is indeed a versatile build. It gets 8th lvl Divine magic, 4th lvl arcane magic (actually 5th lvl, but 4th lvl with Still Spell), good skills, good saving throws, decent health, good Bard Song, decent AC, AB, and it can ID stuff without a point in Lore Pretty similar to the Blade Juggernaut build, except that it uses CoT rather than RDD. I think it loses 1 point of AB and a couple points of damage due to the lower Str (also no immunities), but it gets better saves and more feats, so it's a pretty reasonable build. Give it a shot, let me know what you think. You all have definitely given me some ideas here. Have run thru some of them on the Epic to Novice training mod.

Could someone do the 14 bard/10 RDD/16PM build for me? Would love to compare that one with some of the others.

Right now (though as fickle as my mind is it could change!) I'd like to go with either that one, or the "Avenging Angel" build (believe it is a Fighter/RDD/Sorc build) or the Undead Lord on the Epic Builders page (though with my experimentation, took out the Auto Still and put some other epic feats in).

That one seemed to do OK, but seemingly had more trouble hitting (even with True Strike) for some odd reason. Then again, ancient dragons may give a lot of characters problems.

See, right now on my PW I run alone a lot of the time (mostly do the freaky hours I can get on and play) and would like a char that is good at dishing out lots o' damage, as well as can sit there and either take lot of damage or not get hit (or have DR or both). I mean, there is this giant there that no spells (other than Blade Barrier anyway) can get thru his SR. Harm goes doink. As well as most other power spells. And when I fight him (right now have a Fighter/Cleric build) he hits me everytime for like 150 points of damage. OW.

Then again, my AC on that guy is only like 34 and I'm sure that nasty giant has a big attack #.

Any ideas? Thanks!

Joe C. Here is a bard 14/rdd 10/pm 16 build

Bard 14/RDD 10/PM 16
Dwarf

str 18
dex 8
con 16
int 12
wis 8
chr 12

bard 12
rdd 8

rdd 2
pm 15
bard 1
pm 1
bard 1

feats
1 martial wp prof
3 wf scim
6 power attack
9 heavy armor prof
12 imp crit scim
15 cleave
18 greater cleave
21 overwhelming crit
24 dev crit
27 ep wf scim
30 armor skin
33 Gr str 1
35 ep energy res cold
36 Gr str 2
39 ep mage armor, ep warding

str 38
dex 8
con 18
int 14
wis 8
chr 14 Evo,whats the ac of that build, and ab?

Could you also do a dexy bard/dd/pm build?

Cheers mate, keep up the good work
Quote: Posted 09/16/04 07:23:56 (GMT) -- tanassi

Evo,whats the ac of that build, and ab?

Could you also do a dexy bard/dd/pm build?

Cheers mate, keep up the good work

42 ab UNbuffed
70 ac naked Buffed

For the dex bard/dd/pm go 14 bard/dd 10/pm 16. 8 bard/2 pm/10 DD pre epic.
str 10
dex 18
con 18
int 10
wis 8
chr 6

You totally forgo casting with this but gain dmg reduction and higher hp/ab/ac, if you want to retain spells go:
str 12
dex 16
con 16
int 10
wis 8
chr 13 Great stuff, evo_dragon. Thanks! Will give both builds some testing later on when/if I have some time here.

One question. I saw on your STR build one that you took Heavy Armor. Now when you get the Epic Mage Armor, does that add to heavy armor, or do you basically have to be out of armor for that to work? Because I thought Mage Armor itself doesn't add to deflection modifiers (like magic armor)..or so I thought anywho...

Thanks again!

Joe C. Epic Mage Armor gives you +20 to AC: +5 to 4 different AC modifiers. It doesn't matter what kind of armor you're wearing as to the effect of Epic Mage armor. What matters is the magical bonuses you get from the armor.

For example, if you had mundane plate armor, then you would get a +5 armor bonus from Epic Mage Armor. If you had +3 plate armor, you now only get a +2 bonus from Epic Mage Armor, so that your armor AC is brought up to +5. If you have +5 or higher armor AC, Epic Mage armor will add nothing for armor, but it may still add AC for the other types of AC modifiers.

To my knowledge, the only type of AC bonus that stacks with magical AC bonuses you have on your character is Dodge AC, provided you haven't already reached the +20 max for Dodge AC. Thus, if you had a character with +5 to all AC modifiers from magical equipment, you would still get +5 to AC from Epic Mage Armor. Heya, I'm looking for a great human pure monk build. But without devastating critical.. and i'm iffy about kukri's as i hear the next patch is going to fix them somehow hi
Kubbysan look at...
Page...6
..in my post 3rd down ..there is a link
to a human lvl 40 monk {not sure about dev crit} check it out!
griphook

Edited By griphook on 09/18/04 01:44

I know of monk speed and haste, but does anyone know a way to make a char that can run Extreamly fast?

-Nathan
Quote: Posted 09/19/04 05:21:11 (GMT) -- Nathaniallewis

I know of monk speed and haste, but does anyone know a way to make a char that can run Extreamly fast?

-Nathan
At level 40 a hasted pure monk runs faster than the DM character.
Quote: Posted 09/19/04 20:54:36 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

Quote: Posted 09/19/04 05:21:11 (GMT) -- Nathaniallewis

I know of monk speed and haste, but does anyone know a way to make a char that can run Extreamly fast?

-Nathan
At level 40 a hasted pure monk runs faster than the DM character.

Heheh, I can back up evo_dragon on this. I have tested pure monk with hasted items against DM in one of the old server that I used to play on. Especially if you have taken Blinding Speed, it is useful if you have gotten in a bind but don't have any hasted item. But if you are on a world where hasted items are common, it is not required.

Anuis

Anuis Im looking for an Awesome Cleric 14/Bard 16/RDD 10.
Its killing everyones arse with high attackbonus (ive seen 1 with 79 unbuffed, not sure if he had ab+ on weapon though), high AC, taunt and a very good bard song (lower AC with -11).

Im also looking for a char with the maximum attack bonus, i think its 83/84, not sure though.
Quote: Posted 10/06/04 05:47:55 (GMT) -- Johansmu

Im also looking for a char with the maximum attack bonus, i think its 83/84, not sure though.

I think this one is a Fighter 8-9 / Wizard 1-2 / Arcane Archer 30, elf :

Attack Bonus with a non-magical gear :
19 (BAB)
+15 (Dex with 20 base, +10 from stats increases, and +10 from great dex)
+15 (magical AA arrows)
+2 (epic weapon focus)
+1 (epic prowess)
=52

Magical increases :
+5 Bow (for example)
+6 max from dex increase
And we're in the early 60s. A few more various bonuses should get you to the early 80s.
_________________
If you call IGMS, Harm, Mestil's acid shield, the Bigby hands or Devastating Critical balanced in your post, don't expect me to like you.

I'm sorry about my bad english, I'm french.
In every lie lies a part of truth. Are there any good pure paladin builds? Or Paladin/COT, even Paladin/Fighter.
Strength Based preferred, but enough wisdom to also cast his buffs and maybe some charisma for some saves. If possible so that he isnt extremely epic based (meaning he can do stuff before getting to level 40 or something) due to a level cap for a long time at 20. Domains Needed: (Rp reasons)War.strength. or Fire. Thanks

P.S. Please no non-rp builds such as Paladin/Monk or Paladin/Sorc
P.S.S The build must only have two classes in it (server rule)
Quote: Posted 10/17/04 12:28:28 (GMT) -- dolpin

Are there any good pure paladin builds? Or Paladin/COT, even Paladin/Fighter.
Strength Based preferred, but enough wisdom to also cast his buffs and maybe some charisma for some saves. If possible so that he isnt extremely epic based (meaning he can do stuff before getting to level 40 or something) due to a level cap for a long time at 20. Domains Needed: (Rp reasons)War.strength. or Fire. Thanks

P.S. Please no non-rp builds such as Paladin/Monk or Paladin/Sorc
P.S.S The build must only have two classes in it (server rule)

Forgot last thing. Paladin can be replaced with cleric too. or a paladin/cleric Hi, I'm looking for a good, dex based monk/weaponmaster/rogue build with at least 6 lvl's in each class.. focused in the short sword... what would be the optimal way to build this character?

Edited By Kubbysan on 10/18/04 06:29

hi
dolpin ....i found these in my notes..

Paladin by Darth Baenre

Starting stats
Str: 14
Dex: 10
Con: 14
Int: 10
Wis: 14
Cha: 15

Stat Increases: CHA until it's a natural 25 (Great Charisma feats included), STR after

Race: Human

Alignment: Lawful Good

Skill Allocations: Concentration, Discipline, Persuade

Feat Priorities: Power Attack, Cleave, Weapon Focus (longsword), Great Cleave, Improved Critical (longsword), Divine Might, Divine Shield, Extra Smiting, Great Charisma I-III, Epic Weapon Focus (longsword), Epic Prowess, Armor Skin, Great Strength I-II, Epic Fortitude, Epic Will, Great Smite I-III

Spell Memorisation:

Level 1: Divine Favor (x3), Protection Against Evil

Level 2: Bull's Strength, Eagle's Splendor, Aura of Glory (x2)

Level 3: Magic Circle Against Evil, Dispel Magic, Prayer

Level 4: Holy Sword (x2), Death Ward

Equipment: Longsword, Full Plate Armor, Gauntlets, Helmet, Tower Shield

Magic Item Priorities: Holy Avenger, Magic Full Plate, Gauntlets of Ogre Strength, Magic Tower Shield, Nymph Cloak +7, Belt of Storm Giant Strength, Amulet of Divine Radiance, Ring of Protection +10, Ring of Fortitude +10, something that adds Haste
** ** ** ** *** *** ***


Iconic Paladin by Tyr Paladin

Str - 14 +6
Dex - 10
Con - 12
Wis - 14
Int - 14
Cha - 14 +11

Attributes

CHA - 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24

Str - 28, 32, 36, 40


Skills

Discipline - 40
Persuade - 40
Taunt - 40
Heal - 20


Feats

1. Exotic Weapon: Bastard Sword, Power Attack

3. Divine Might

6. Divine Shield

9. Knockdown

12. Improve Knockdown

15. Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword

18. Toughness

21. Great Charisma

23B. Improve Critical: Bastard Sword

24. Great Gharisma

26B. Extra Turning

27. Great Charisma

29B. Extra Smite

30. Great Charisma

32B. Epic Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword

33. Great Charisma

35B. Great Smite I

36. Great Strength

38B. Great Smite II

39. Great Strength
** ** ** ** ** ** **


Cleric 20/Fighter 20 by Firestar Rogue

Paladin 20/Cot 20 by Quezi

Cleric 35/Fighter 5 by Spooky222

hi
Johansmu ... i also found this....

Cleric 16/Bard 14/RDD10 by cdaulepp

hi
Kubysan... ok not a short sword but check it out....

Monk 6/WM19/Rogue 15 by TaskMasterZ post 5

Or..The Cleric version...
The Acolyte Of Invisable Death:: Monk 10/Cleric 23/WM 7 by Lockindal

Or...another Cleric version..

Exploit Eddie::Monk 6/Cleric 15/WM 19 by SBully 1st post

hope any of these help you....

Edited By griphook on 10/18/04 14:05

looking for a nice lvl 20 build Pure BLooded Oh no Tyr paladin build! CALL OUT THE ELITE GUARD!!! lol Hello all,
I play on a low magic server so +5 to +6 is the cap for magic items. Since this is the case casters can easily dominate there, specifically builds such as bioware's exalted sorceress or builds similiar to that. A lot of builds go 38 sorc/1 pally/ and then either 1 rogue or 1 monk. The only way I can beat them is if they happen to roll a 1 against my Dev Crit within the first few rounds. Usually the case happens that I end up either dying from their shields or the spells they pummel me with.

With this said I'm looking for a build that can stand up to this heavy caster. Now the options that I have considered are a rakshasa shifter, a monk, or a heavy caster.

The rakshasa shifter would easily be able to take a caster but any dev critter with clerical buffs would easily be able to get a few whacks in and send me packing. The monk would be a good choice but may have the same problem as the shifter.

The safest all around bet would probably be a 38 sorc/1 pally/1 monk or 1 rogue. Fight fire with fire I guess. The fight would just be who can keep their spell mantles up.

Would you guys mind giving me your input and maybe any builds I may have overlooked.
Thanks
Quote: Posted 10/21/04 00:52:06 (GMT) -- highlife262626

Hello all,
I play on a low magic server so +5 to +6 is the cap for magic items. Since this is the case casters can easily dominate there, specifically builds such as bioware's exalted sorceress or builds similiar to that. A lot of builds go 38 sorc/1 pally/ and then either 1 rogue or 1 monk. The only way I can beat them is if they happen to roll a 1 against my Dev Crit within the first few rounds. Usually the case happens that I end up either dying from their shields or the spells they pummel me with.

With this said I'm looking for a build that can stand up to this heavy caster. Now the options that I have considered are a rakshasa shifter, a monk, or a heavy caster.

The rakshasa shifter would easily be able to take a caster but any dev critter with clerical buffs would easily be able to get a few whacks in and send me packing. The monk would be a good choice but may have the same problem as the shifter.

The safest all around bet would probably be a 38 sorc/1 pally/1 monk or 1 rogue. Fight fire with fire I guess. The fight would just be who can keep their spell mantles up.

Would you guys mind giving me your input and maybe any builds I may have overlooked.
Thanks

As for the Rakshasa Shifter getting killed by any gimp with Dev. Crit., I can tell this is not the case, or at least it shouldn't be. The reason is that you're a shifter; you use your different shapes to adapt to different situations. Use Rakshasa to school arcane casters, and then when someone tries to melee you, shift into either Construct or Undead form and let their silly selves just TRY to hurt you.

Seriously, with SBully's build I think you get around 23 caster levels, which means that your reciprocal damage spells are going to HURT, and with the DR from Iron Golem form or the damage immunity from Risen Lord form, your opponent will probably be taking more damage than you will.

A couple things I didn't see you mention were Cleric or Paladin builds. You may not be aware, but a Paladin with a Holy Avenger can dispel the buffs of even a lvl 40 caster, as there is NO DC on the dispel, at least that I'm aware of. Thus, if you had a Paladin/Cleric or something like that with Silent spell (or Auto-Silent if you really want it), you should be able to cause some trouble for arcane casters.

You might consider something like a Rogue 10/Paladin 15/Cleric 15. You can get decent saving throws, a high AB, a decent AC, and decent damage with 5d6 sneak attacks + your Cleric buffs. You may also want to consider putting some points into Set and Craft Traps, as it seems like most characters don't bother to look for traps in PvP. Of course, traps are most useful if you have stealth, but it's not strictly necessary. Take Trickery domain for Improved Invis, and probably Healing as well for Empowered cures. If you take Craft Wand, you should be able to create wands of Cure Critical wounds, which could be quite helpful in PvP. Hmm, I'm considering this build

6monk 15rog 19wm

Stats
Start Final
14str 14
16Dex 28
10con 10
14int 14
14wis 14
8 cha 8

Svs Fort 18 Ref 34 Will 20

Final attack stats with plain Kamas
41/38/35/32/29/26
41/38
Final AC NAKED 32

HP = Monk 48
Rog 90
WM 190
Tough and Epic tough 60 = 388 Max not too shabby naked

Character Level Class Skill Increases Feat Selection Attribute Increase
1 Monk Dodge, Mobility
2 Rogue
3 Rogue Weapon Focus: Short Sword
4 Rogue Dexterity
5 Rogue
6 Rogue Expertise
7 Rogue
8 Rogue Dexterity
9 Rogue Spring Attack
10 Rogue
11 Rogue
12 Rogue Whirlwind Attack Dexterity
13 Weapon Master
14 Weapon Master
15 Weapon Master Weapon Finesse
16 Weapon Master Dexterity
17 Monk
18 Weapon Master Ambidexterity
19 Weapon Master
20 Weapon Master Dexterity
21 Weapon Master Two Weapon Fighting
22 Rogue
23 Weapon Master
24 Weapon Master Improved Two Weapon Fighting Dexterity
25 Monk
26 Monk
27 Monk Improved Critical(Short Sword)
28 Rogue Oppurtunist Dexterity
29 Weapon Master
30 Weapon Master Epic Weapon focus
31 Weapon Master Epic Prowess
32 Rogue Dexterity
33 Weapon Master Great Dexterity
34 Weapon Master
35 Weapon Master Armor Skin
36 Weapon Master Great Dexterity Dexterity
37 Monk
38 Rogue
39 Weapon Master Toughness
40 Weapon Master Epic toughness Dexterity

But i've been wondering if it would be better to just build 15 rogue, then 22 wm, then one monk and 2 rogue to max those skills.. I'm not sure if I'd lose anything as i'm not familiar with the formula's. I am sure I want short swords though, and maybe pop in martial weapon feat so I can use scimitars..

Any thoughts? I'll have to check out Sbullys but as far as the shifter goes, I haven't seen any builds that excell in any other form besides rakshasa. Most of the Undead/construct shapes have low ab and low ac. So while they give you good DR and damage immunities basically you won't be able to hit any good character. You just end up being a wacking pole. Now a rakshasa that can achieve a high AC is a good choice because you can spam off enough ice storms before a melee lands enough hits to do you in.

As far as the cleric/paladin build you suggested I doubt that will work. Bigby's crushing hand or bigby's grasping hand makes this char easy pickings. The only thing that prevents those spells is spell immunity, spell resistance, or a very high AC. An approximate AC 79 is required to fend off bigsby hands by a lvl 38 caster and that combo of build cannot achieve such a high AC.
Quote: But i've been wondering if it would be better to just build 15 rogue, then 22 wm, then one monk and 2 rogue to max those skills.. I'm not sure if I'd lose anything as i'm not familiar with the formula's. I am sure I want short swords though, and maybe pop in martial weapon feat so I can use scimitars..

Any thoughts?
(quote)

Curious, but it you're using Short swords or Scimitars, why take Monk? Six levels of Fighter will give you 4 bonus feats, 2 of which can be spent to get Epic Weapon Spec, which will give you +6 damage to every attack with that weapon. I suppose Monk will give you a higher Naked AC, and if that's what you're going for then 2 levels should be OK.

If you take Monk to lvl 6, however, you get IKD for "free", as well as +1 to your AC. BTW I probably wouldn't dual-wield Scimitars as this will give you -4 to your AB. If you take Exotic Weapon Prof. rather than Martial, you can use Kukris, which have the same threat range as a Scimitar but which are considered light weapons, so that you only suffer a -2 penalty.

(quote)Posted 10/22/04 00:46:38 (GMT) -- highlife262626

I'll have to check out Sbullys but as far as the shifter goes, I haven't seen any builds that excell in any other form besides rakshasa. Most of the Undead/construct shapes have low ab and low ac. So while they give you good DR and damage immunities basically you won't be able to hit any good character. You just end up being a wacking pole. Now a rakshasa that can achieve a high AC is a good choice because you can spam off enough ice storms before a melee lands enough hits to do you in.

As far as the cleric/paladin build you suggested I doubt that will work. Bigby's crushing hand or bigby's grasping hand makes this char easy pickings. The only thing that prevents those spells is spell immunity, spell resistance, or a very high AC. An approximate AC 79 is required to fend off bigsby hands by a lvl 38 caster and that combo of build cannot achieve such a high AC.

As for becoming a "whacking pole" while in Undead or Construct form, you're essentially correct, but the thing is that with with Death Armor, Elemental Shield, and Mestil's Acid Sheath, chances are your opponent will be taking more damage than you will every time they get a whack in. If you'd prefer to stay in Rakshasa form and hit them with ice storms that's fine, but remember that Rakshasa's aren't crit immune like the other forms, so a character with Dev Crit may be able to take you out pretty easily.

As for the Rogue/Paladin/Cleric build, you can get an AC of 28 with no spells or items. With +5 items, you should be able to get your AC up to 53. With spells, you should be able to buff it a bit higher, particularly if you take the Plant domain, as that will give you access to Barkskin. Of course, this is assuming you're going Str-based; if you go Dex-based you should be able to get it a bit higher.

The point of the build is to buff yourself up while still in Greater Sanctuary, cast Silence on yourself, and then enter melee. Your opponent won't be able to target you until you start attacking, at which point he or she will be within the radius of your Silence spell. Of course, some casters, particularly Sorcs, may be able to cast even while silenced, through the miracle of Silent Spell and Spontaneous casting.

Of course, if they're using Silent Spell rather than Auto-Silent, they won't be able to cast 9th lvl spells, so that means no Maximized IGMS, no Mord's, and no Bigby's Crushing Hand. They may still be able to hit you with the Grasping Hand, however, so you do have to be careful.

For those, you use IKD. You can get your AB reasonably high (~65) with your Cleric buffs, which means that it's going to be difficult for them to resist getting knocked down. If they take Monk or Paladin as their last lvl, they should be able to get 43 ranks in Disc. With skill focus and Epic skill focus (I think most casters just take Epic), they can get another 13 points, for a total of 56. The modifier for Disc is Strength, which tends to be quite low for most arcane casters, although they can wear items to buff it.

Thus, the only way that they will consistently resist your IKD is if they have some serious +Disc items, like Epic gloves of Discipline (+30 I think). Of course, They may be able to avoid getting hit if they have a stupidly high AC, but if that's the case you were screwed anyway. Author... Blunkanthrust

Elven Exploit Eddie


Joined: 01 Apr 2004
From: Middle Earth
Profile: Monday, 25 October 2004 07:03PM

I like the exploit eddie but I prefer to play a an elf rather than the usual choice of human in most builds, please could someone help me adapt Cdauleps Exploit Eddie build to an effect elven version many thanks

EDIT: ops forgot to include the build ops

Thanking you in advance for any help....

Race Human
Alignment Lawful Neutral

Starting Stats
Str 14
Dex 15
Con 10
Int 14
Wis 15
Cha 8

Character Level Class Skill Increases Feat Selection Attribute Increase
1 Monk Dodge, Mobility
2 Cleric Domains: Trickery, Travel
3 Cleric Weapon Focus: Kama
4 Cleric Wisdom
5 Cleric
6 Cleric Expertise
7 Cleric
8 Cleric Dexterity
9 Cleric Spring Attack
10 Cleric
11 Cleric
12 Cleric Whirlwind Attack Dexterity
13 Weapon Master
14 Weapon Master
15 Weapon Master Weapon Finesse
16 Weapon Master Dexterity
17 Monk
18 Weapon Master Extend Spell
19 Weapon Master
20 Weapon Master Dexterity
21 Weapon Master Ambidexterity
22 Cleric
23 Weapon Master
24 Weapon Master Two Weapon Fighting Dexterity
25 Monk
26 Monk
27 Monk Improved Two Weapon Fighting
28 Cleric Wisdom
29 Weapon Master
30 Weapon Master Improved Critical: Kama
31 Weapon Master Epic Weapon Focus: Kama
32 Cleric Wisdom
33 Weapon Master Great Dexterity
34 Weapon Master
35 Weapon Master Epic Prowess
36 Weapon Master Great Dexterity Dexterity
37 Monk
38 Cleric
39 Weapon Master Toughness
40 Weapon Master Armor Skin Dexterity

Level Distribution
Cleric 15
Monk 6
Weapon Master 19

Final Skills
Concentration 40
Discipline 43
Intimidate 8
Listen 10
Lore 40
Open Lock 2
Search 10
Spellcraft 40
Tumble 40

Final Stats
Str 14
Dex 24
Con 10
Int 14
Wis 18
Cha 8

Equipment
Kama
Kama
Robes

Hit Points
Cleric 120
Monk 48
Weapon Master 190
Max constitution bonus 240
Toughness 40
Total possible 638

Saves (buffed)
Fortitude 26
Reflex 37
Will 25

Attack schedule (buffed)
64/64/64/64/64/61/58/55/52/49
64/61

Potential Damage
1d6 Kama
5 slashing Greater Magic Weapon
8 physical Strength (+12)
6 to 11 fire Darkfire
1 slashing Prayer
5 magical Divine Favor
2 magical Battletide
Edited By Blunkanthrust on 10/25/04 19:09:26

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avado

Joined: 14 Apr 2003
From: Canada
Profile: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 12:53AM

I'm just trying to understand this: you want an elf version of a cleric/monk? Please help me understand this, as you are the second person today to post this type of build request, doesnt the elf take a huge exp penalty for not havin the cler/monk lvls of the same value?

Now im not sure why would you want to put a heavy leveling penalty on yourself as you build your character?

Maybe i missed this, but why elf?

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Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Profile: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 01:00AM

Maybe it's their dexerity.. I am playing one because of the RP and guild I want to stay in which happens to be an elven guild.


Weri
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Joined: 01 Apr 2004
From: Middle Earth
Profile: Tuesday, 26 October 2004 05:16PM

I did already say, because i don't want to play as a human, and its also because i play as an elf on a RP PW. Just a request a simple request.....

Edited By griphook on 10/26/04 18:23

Catgirl Gone Wild!

I have just started playing on the PW, Valley of Shrouds. Its an original content low magic world. The classes have been reworked to encourage balance and cooperative play. Leveling is very slow and party based. Out of the 20+ average player base there are about a couple of diligent characters on at any given time who have reached epic levels. Basicly I am looking to find a build which does not require me to be epic to be useful in a party.

I am new to NWN and D&D in general. I have gotten the basics of how the game works but cannot for the life of me make a viable character build. Here is what I am looking for:

Human
Druid(RP)
Fighter(extra feats)
Monk (speed/AC/unarmed)

I would like to be able to brew and craft wands. Use a longbow effectively without sacraficing unarmed if possible. Please.. No builds that require me to shift to be useful.

Please PM if you would like to discuss further.

Thank you in Advance! Shanda I have a build request for a PW that I shall play this character on. It's going to be leveled as I go. Here are the criteria I'm looking for.

Elf
rogue/wiz/palemaster
weapon focus longbow

he's going to be a sneak attack archer with his palemaster summons as meat shields.

I think lvl 15 palemaster to get an epic spell and still keep the greater bodak as the summon. lvl 16 would give me Ghoul King.

My Wiz levels would be used only for self buff, not offensive spells.

I also want to be good at trap crafting and setting. I don't expect to make Epic traps so maxing craft trap isn't needed. (your suggestions here help)

thanks all.
Quote: Posted 10/28/04 14:40:55 (GMT) -- Bromium

I have a build request for a PW that I shall play this character on. It's going to be leveled as I go. Here are the criteria I'm looking for.

Elf
rogue/wiz/palemaster
weapon focus longbow

he's going to be a sneak attack archer with his palemaster summons as meat shields.

I think lvl 15 palemaster to get an epic spell and still keep the greater bodak as the summon. lvl 16 would give me Ghoul King.

My Wiz levels would be used only for self buff, not offensive spells.

I also want to be good at trap crafting and setting. I don't expect to make Epic traps so maxing craft trap isn't needed. (your suggestions here help)

thanks all.

You might try something like this. It gets a decent AB and a very nice AC, and of course it gets tons of skill credits and lots of spells per day. It also gets Epic Dodge, which will be very nice when used in conjunction with Improved Invis. The biggest weakness I see with this build is that you may have trouble vs. crit immune foes, as you have relatively low base damage, and a low caster level as well.

Rogue 13/Wizard 11/PM 16
(pre-epic Rogue 12/Wizard 4/PM 4)

Race: Elf

Stats

Starting:

Str 10
Dex 18
Con 13
Int 16
Wis 8
Cha 8

Put 2 point into Int
Put 7 points into Dex
Put 1 point into Con

Ending:

Str 10
Dex 28
Con 14
Int 20
Wis 8
Cha 8

Feats

1 Toughness
3 Weapon Focus: Longbow
6 Extend Spell
9 Combat Casting
12 Craft Wand
15 Expertise
18 Improved Expertise, Improved Evasion **
21 Epic Weapon Focus, Great Int I *
24 Epic Prowess
27 Great Dex I, Great Int II *
30 Great Dex II
33 Great Dex III, Improved Combat Casting ***
36 Epic Mage Armor, Epic Warding ***
39 Defensive Roll **, Epic Dodge

Wizard bonus feats *
Rogue bonus feats **
PM bonus feats ***


AB: 23 base
+9 Dex
+1 WF
+2 EWF
+1 Epic Prowess
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36 w/ mundane Longbow

AC: 10 base
+9 Dex
+10 Bone Skin
+8 Tumble
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37 Naked AC

+10 Improved Expertise
+20 Epic Mage Armor
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67 Naked AC Here's one that might be interesting.

For a PW
Cleric + Sorc+maybe 3rd class?, casting based, with divine shield at least. I'll be wearing +12 wis+cha items. and DC isn't too much of an issue, getting epic spells is. having all the cleric spells would be nice, but not necessary either I'm looking for something on a PW that can take some damage. I suppose you can call it a "tank" type character. On this world AC isn't nearly as important (at least in higher level encounters) as Damage Reduction.

Yes, I know DD's are good in that area. But that has been done to death on this world (and I'm sure a few others). Also believe Epic Warding/Mage Armor would be handy to have as well with things there dishing out 100 HP's a swing.

Was thinking about a few possibilities. Perhaps something Barbarian related? Like a Barbarian/Bard/RDD?

Or more spellcasting perhaps like a Fighter/Wiz/PM? (something like 10/14/16 or 10/20/10 level wise)?

Thanks!

Joe C. hey, im looking for a build that can tank monsters with +100 ab. being able to hit stuff is not a requirement. I was thinking along the lines of a monk wizard druid, and was wondering if a dragon shaped druid is immune to criticals? im in need of a good lvl 30 pvp melee build. no shadowdancer, no dev crit, draconic amor lowered.
i favour str chars but if i can get hands on an excellent dexer it will be a good alternative. hi
have you checked this out....

Harper Blademaster {level 30} by Aligory

griphook Hiya everybody. I reccon I posted this in the wrong place; can someone advise?
Looking to build something similar to the Monk25/wiz5/PM10 build; but with more focus on mage levels [sorc or wiz; pref wiz if PM route is taken as scrolls would be needed]. Basically the Monk levels should be added as a melee-enabling enhancer; making it a kind of spellsword with monk capabilities [speed/attacks/etc]. As there are no good armor items available; Epic Mage Armor is a must; as is Epic Warding and any buffs possible like ShadowShield and Grtr StoneSkin. The character should be able to buff their weapons early on as there are very few decent (read: anything +1 or better) kama's available that he can get while still standing. Equipment is not guaranteed; however minor items like +1 soak 5 robes are readily available; as is a few basic weapons.
Dev Crit is disabled .
Any advice would be sorely appreciated. With wizard 5 and pm 10, you'll have a caster of level 10, with an effective caster level of 5. You'll only have access to level 5 spells, thus only stoneskin, with a duration of 5 hours (about 10 minutes) and 50 DR of absorption. Shadow shield being level 7, and greater stoneskin being 6, you won't be able to cast them, though you can use scrolls.
And also, you won't have access to epic spells.

I'm not so good at monk builds, and i can hardly tell you how good it will be in melee, but i can tell you, harshly but truely, that this build will be a pathetic spellcaster, even at the task of buffing, although decent on a low magic world which seems to be what you describe. Maybe that's what you're looking for, though.
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Quote: Posted 11/16/04 08:32:54 (GMT) -- Agifem

With wizard 5 and pm 10, you'll have a caster of level 10, with an effective caster level of 5. You'll only have access to level 5 spells, thus only stoneskin, with a duration of 5 hours (about 10 minutes) and 50 DR of absorption. Shadow shield being level 7, and greater stoneskin being 6, you won't be able to cast them, though you can use scrolls.
And also, you won't have access to epic spells.
I'm awful at explaining.. and thanks for the fast reply.. but I did not want the monk25/wiz5/pm10 build for that reason - otherwise I would have used the one already posted. This was why I was trying to reason out how to get more casting levels without sacrificing damage potential from the Monk. I would probably need all three 2-hand feats to get extra 2 attacks with a Kama

The type of split I had thought might work was:
monk12/wiz6/pm22 (should get lvl9 spells like this; and the epics I think are available to PM15?); but then I don't have any good build experience; so I don't know how this split will be adequitely made.

Dev Crit is disabled on the server

Edited By Khandahr on 11/16/04 10:54

Quote: Posted 11/16/04 10:49:28 (GMT) -- Khandahr

Quote: Posted 11/16/04 08:32:54 (GMT) -- Agifem

With wizard 5 and pm 10, you'll have a caster of level 10, with an effective caster level of 5. You'll only have access to level 5 spells, thus only stoneskin, with a duration of 5 hours (about 10 minutes) and 50 DR of absorption. Shadow shield being level 7, and greater stoneskin being 6, you won't be able to cast them, though you can use scrolls.
And also, you won't have access to epic spells.
I'm awful at explaining.. and thanks for the fast reply.. but I did not want the monk25/wiz5/pm10 build for that reason - otherwise I would have used the one already posted. This was why I was trying to reason out how to get more casting levels without sacrificing damage potential from the Monk. I would probably need all three 2-hand feats to get extra 2 attacks with a Kama

The type of split I had thought might work was:
monk12/wiz6/pm22 (should get lvl9 spells like this; and the epics I think are available to PM15?); but then I don't have any good build experience; so I don't know how this split will be adequitely made.

Dev Crit is disabled on the server

Why don't you switch monk to ranger class? The ranger class gives you two two-hand feats for free, which are the following: Dual-Wield and Improved Two-Weapon Fighting.

In addition to that, you can get favored enemy which can boost your damage by +1 per 5 levels gained in Ranger class.

Anuis
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-I think, Therefore I am. My main reason for monk was the bit of speed and the extra bonus from Wis and Dex. Is it more worthwhile to go ranger and get extra attack bonus in it's place? You seem to want the AC and AB from the monk, the AC and immunities from the PM, and the spellcasting abilities, including epic, from the wizard. You're going straight into a wall. A character cannot excell in more than one thing, and requires a dedicated build to be good at two.
What you seem to want is a self-buffing tank with defensive and offensive melee capabilities. On a low magic world, a Monk 25 / Wizard 5 / PM 10 should be enough. On another world, I doubt a build matching your heavy requirements will exist, at least without the PRC, and maybe even with it.
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I'm sorry about my bad english, I'm french.
In every lie lies a part of truth. I guess the idea was a bit too unfocussed to be of practical use. Thanks for the feedback all. Really appreciated - I'll try out the Monk25/wiz5/pm10 then.. I should get some fun out of it either way .
Quote: Posted 11/17/04 11:17:43 (GMT) -- Khandahr

I guess the idea was a bit too unfocussed to be of practical use. Thanks for the feedback all. Really appreciated - I'll try out the Monk25/wiz5/pm10 then.. I should get some fun out of it either way .

To ask for a build, you first have to ask yourself what you want from that build. Giving classes and avarage levels isn't generally enough. You have to understand your own priorities (offensive or defensive melee presence, magic buffing, heavy offensive spellcasting, dual-wielding, etc ...) and then, people will help you much easier, and you will even help yourself.
I do greatly enjoy planning a build, sometimes i even enjoy it more than playing it. But i do because i know what i want, i know what i will have to give up for it, and i know the overall picture of my build even before i start building it. I generally sacrifice the defensive side of my characters, both melee and magic, for a much better mastery of offensive, either by magic means or by weaponry. The results are some nice characters, fun to play and efficient, but need carefulness to be played, because they can die as fast as they can kill.
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I'm sorry about my bad english, I'm french.
In every lie lies a part of truth. Hi guys,
Can you help me out with this AA build?

I want the following:
- lingering song
- curse song

- max tumble
- good UMD
- good taunt
- max disc

And of course the best possible AB and AC from all the AA levels.

My opinion is that the 2way swing of bard song + curse song are the shizzle.

Please state your build, thanks! Hi guys im new to this forum but not NWN i play on a PW which has banned dev crit, i am working on a duel weild with self conceament v and high AC/AB, so far i have got:-

ranger/monk/sd ranger 25 for free 2 weapon feats +(for bane of enemies)monk ? KD/IKD at least 6, would leave 9 SD for self concealment feats.

Can someone help we with lvl up info to achieve this, if think this char would be hard to beat in PvP if i could get all 50% concealment.

or is there a better build to not get hit and hit back hard, mainly thinking of beating PM hybrids with a melee based char not caster.

i have used master of melee before and managed to beat some PM melee hybrid builds but not all the time as i get hit to much, so thinking self concealment is the way to go.

Any help greatfully recieved. Hola.. I'm looking for help with a build i'm considering..

Pally/Fighter/Weaponmaster.. was thinking 6pal/9ftr/25wm

with spec in greatsword.. and a str fighter.. no divine anything because the server i'm on has +20 weapons which negate Divine Might... with no dev crit.... I'm looking for a build that focuses in the kukri. The build must have cleric and Champion of Torm. The reasons being that battletide, divine favor, and CoT's divine wrath give magical and divine damage that can not be resisted on the low magic server I play on. Also CoT insures that my savings throws will be boosted so that Dev Crit doesn't become such a big problem. I would like a high Charisma so that the Divine Wrath can last as long as it can.

Sounds like a Charisma based character would do good here but I don't have much experience making that type. For the third class I was thinking either Weapon Master or Paladin. Alrighty; me again.. hopefully this is more workable..

What I'm trying to figure out; is a high-ac character that can dish out a bit of pain (either casting or melee). Would be preferable if they can self-buff.

Some of the obstacles he'll face include boss's with TrueSight (amost all of them), critters at the top end hitting with around 100hp per hit and various elemental damage - mostly fire and electricity. Dev Crit is disabled, and monk-based shifting toons are a bit nerfed. From the enhancement point of view, most weapons are best utilised dual-wielding, since they typically have extra attribute modifiers applied that end up enhancing ab more than single-wielding [or so I have seen in the stats dialog when switching]. Hope this is enough data for working on, and hopefully someone can think of something.

PS: on autostill, there is plate armor available that negates arcane failure. Hello!
I have been trying to construct a fighter/rogue build that has the following abilities and feats: epic dodge, SC V, ambidex, two wep fighting, imp two wep fighting, exotic wep, wep focus kukri, wep finesse, wep spec and epic wep spec, knockdown and imp knockdown. I cannot get it to work though. Any suggestions? I dont mind adding a third class, I tried a CoT since they have many feats but that didnt help. I dont want more than 4 fighter levels and as many rogue levels as possible and if possible a good level split at level 20.
If anyone can do this I would be happy. Any have a nice build for an drow 30 Sorc/10 RDD...can only find some with a third class in the build..maybe with use of longsword as elves gets that free. (but is there any "staff items" which can be used in secondary hand?

If I would want to have use of a weapon, would the builds with a third class (paladin/monk/fighter) be better??

I looked abit on the sorc29/rdd10/pal1, would you be able to change it to a sorc29/rdd10/bg1...if you dont want to be lawfull. Or would bg not give the same abilities as a paladin? If this is already made, any have a link for it?

Thanks for your time.
Quote: Posted 12/01/04 11:10:43 (GMT) -- zargomir
(but is there any "staff items" which can be used in secondary hand?
Mages can hold a Mage Staff in their main hand and have the offhand free; unless it's a custom weapon/item I don't think you can do the opposite. I know the CEP makes items based on the torch object; this gives you things like wands; skulls; etc that you hold in the offhand to enhance your abilities if created to do so.

Edited By Khandahr on 12/01/04 11:23

Author Celestial Defender

Building help...


Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Profile: Wednesday, 01 December 2004 02:46PM


Do not laught at me, I have been playing nwn for a while, but mainly rp-servers. Finally im ready to try out building really good characters, but i have the problem that i really stink at character-building...
I was wondering if I could get some help here at this forum?
I would like a monk with a decent ab, but i dont know how to start... any ideas?

Cel' out!

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you could go fighter18/monk2 pre-epic and get 19ab = 19/16/13/10/7/4/1 (7 attacks with one kama or fists).

With imp-2-hand feats and 2 kama's: 9 base; 10 with haste; 11 with flurry ...
Edited By Khandahr on 12/01/04 15:06:32

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Joined: 25 Aug 2003 Profile: Wednesday, 01 December 2004 07:41PM
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He could also go 16/4 Fighter/Monk, that would give the same BAB.

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Profile: Wednesday, 01 December 2004 11:19PM


Make the same build as Khan except with paladin levels instead of fighter and you have a sick dipel-on-hit caster killer who quisinarts it's way through buffs in a single round. Make him finesse dex/wis based for a high AB, AC and dispel DC. if you find enough CHA enhancing gear you can do some serious extra divine damage as well with divine might and the high CHA score will save you from the dev-critting folks thanks to divine grace.

Edited By griphook on 12/02/04 01:52

Im Looking for a Sorc with a High DC and is Immune To Crits and Has a Good AC.. and Some Good HP plz somone help me? I play on a server where Dev Crit is disabled, and getting to 40 for me is fairly easy.
With that in mind I was curious what builds would be most useful at the "epic" level..where most monsters will hit at least their first 2 attacks vs any 60 or lower ac builds that I have made.

I have thought about Monk / Druid / SD possibly for a strong dragon and druid casting with monk ac from wis?

Maybe DwD / WM / ?? I dont know what to put with those 2 =).

I have tried the Rogue 13 / ranger 21 / Fighter 6....and it just doesnt tank very well at all...even with the epic dodge.
I also tried Bard 2 /Fighter 16 /WM 22 and the same holds true...the tanking just doesnt seem to be there and the low end damage without crits is 50-80 where others are hitting for 100+ with short swords...and im using a scythe =).

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Found that a monk/wiz4/PM works very nicely. Focus on Dex and put decent points into Wis; and some to INT for skills (tumble and discipline focussed). There is a build like that here: Click Here I managed to get a naked unbuffed ac of over 40 at lvl40 with a few slight variations. With +12 Dex gear; Wis boost gear; ac boost gear, and epic mage armor with probable epic warding, you have a fairly tough build. Hello all, can someone please help me with a character build. I am looking for a CHR based TOTALLY LEGITIMATE Paladin/Fighter combination. Totally proficient with greatsword and able to cast all Paladin spell levels. I am going to post my build on the Epic Char forum as well and I ask that anyone really good at char building have a look at it for me and tell me how to improve it.
All input is appreciated ... I don't care about devastating critical as much as having 'lay on hands' as high as I can get it.
Thanks Greetings,

For the past several days I've been trying to come up with a way to get my AB above 70 with a melee class. Here is my situation.


The PW I play on has an unbelievable amount of dispelling monsters so having a character that buffs is pretty much useless.

I know AA's can get AB up in the 80's, but I've never enjoyed playing them.

The PW also has weapons with +10 enhancements.


So here is my dilemma.


Is it possible to get a non-buffing melee character over 70AB with +10 weapons? I have done the common 11fi/28wm/2bard-rogue combo countless times but have yet to figure a way to get the AB above 70.

If anyone has a suggestion to a new type of build (melee based) I would be greatful. I don't need a level by level progression, only the classes and level of classes. And perhaps some key points to keep in mind for building it.


Again thanks,

christian I'm not sure about a build but here are some options you can consider. The clerical domain war gives you battle mastery which adds a boost to your AB and I believe that it is not dispellable. You could also try Champion of Torm because their ability divine wrath is not dispellable. So with all of this I would make a chrasima based character and get divine might and divine shield becuase I believe those are not dispellable either. I'd like a shifter that uses the Dragon Shape.
I imagine it wouldn't be the stongest build, but I've never done a shifter before, and would like some guidance on building an effective Dragon Shifter (I haven't seen one of these in the Epic Builds forum).

I assume that I'll want to go Lawful Neutral and start off with a few Monk levels, but I'm fairly clueless about the optimal level distribution.

Also, does Weapon Focus and Improved Crit. in Unarmed Strike help with the Dragon Attack at all, being that the dragons basically are unarmed? If anyone has a great setup for a dual wielder then im really hoping they would post it. I think that wielding two weapons is the coolest weaponstance.

If it could be made to use no items other than mundane stuff, then it would be preferable.

All goes on this one. Just some cool ideas would be nice A tank. He needs to have loads of HP, good AB, dmg reduc, fairly good AC.

Anything goes so i hope someone has the idea of what is the best melee tank possible. Warrior classes would be preferable. e.i Barbarian, Fighter, WM, DwD, Ranger. Hey im looking for a Monk/Fighter/Rogue Dwarf up to lvl 20.. Because i play on a server that only reaches up to lvl 20 can anyone help me here? Christian, you could try an bard 11 rdd 10 weaponmaster 19.

Get your strength to 38 base with 2 great strength feats, +12 with items (im assuming), so your AB would be: 27 (bab)+ 20(strength)+ 4(feats)+ 4(weaponmaster)+ 10(weapon) =65.
If you get bard song, you can get 67.

Another option might be to try a 22 bard/10 rdd and some other fighter-type class for eight levels pre-epic. If you want to dual wield, perhaps 21 bard/10 rdd/9 ranger.
Get lasting impression (or lingering inspiration, or whatever it's called) on bard 21 or 22. Also grab epic mage armor on the other level. Your song now lasts a long time, so between the -6ish ac curse and +3ish ab song for yourself, your ab should look something like:
27 bab + 20 (strength) + 4 (feats) + 10 (weapon) +9 (songs): 70 AB.
Your ac is going to be nice, also, because you'll get +6ish from song, +4ish from rdd, +5 from epic mage armor, and give your opponents -3ish ab from curse song, for a total of about +18 ac over the average fully armored warrior. (+22 if they dont have 40 tumble). Not bad.
You're limited to undispellable buffs, but they last a really really long time (150 rounds, I believe).
As far as getting _above_ 70 ab, do the build above with orc, or take 4 great strength feats instead of 2.
Maybe try taunt (if it's a class skill.. I'm not really sure, you might have to look for a fighting class with taunt) to effectively boost your AB even higher.
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Edited By yrtsns on 03/06/05 16:45

Actually drop of mage armor. Forgot you can't get it with bard.
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Edited By yrtsns on 03/06/05 17:33

Hi everyone. I am a brand new member to the guild and am exceedingly greatful to have the opportunity to "pick your collective minds" on character building.

I have a request please. I play on a moderate magic PW (no better than +5 items/haste is NOT abundant/devestating critical is disabled/higher level monsters pack a real whallop so AC is definitely a consideration). As such, I am looking for recommendations for a bard/cleric/rdd build that uses a one-handed weapon and shield instead of the greatsword. I have looked at caulepp's human blade juggernaut but was wondering if the 28cleric/2bard/10rdd build previously mentioned actually does more damage and/or has better AC? Anyway, any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. No, the Blade Juggernaut (Bard 15/Cleric 15/RDD 10) would get a better AC due to the AC bonus from his 15th lvl Bard Song.

Of course, the Bard 2/Cleric 28/RDD 10 build isn't bad either; his buffs are much harder to dispell, he gets a higher SR from the Spell Resistance spell, his buffs last longer, and he's better able to overcome SR.

The biggest disadvantage of the second build is that you lose out on all of the Bard's spells, such as Haste and Improved Invis., although it's possible to pick these up as Cleric by taking the Trickery and Travel domains.

The weakness of Bard Song/Curse Song (don't take this feat with the 2nd build) hurts a little as well, but you can already buff yourself to +20 AB with the Cleric (which is the cap for boosting your AB), so it's not actually that bad of a loss. Thanks Crispycritter. Two things as I am still new to character building. One, what is the difference between the 15cleric/15bard/10rdd version caulepp posted compared to the 16cleric/14bard/10rdd one? Second, considering I play in a moderate magic world with high creature attacks, what is the max AC I could generate using a one-handed weapon and a shield? To be honest, Ive tried reading thru some posts about AC, and tried self-leveling a char in teh CEP starter mod, but I cant come close to the AC's that these builds talk about. Im not sure what I am missing. Thanks...

Oh, one last thing. If I am going one-handed, what weapon would you recommend please?
Quote: Posted 03/08/05 01:09:35 (GMT) -- Dalinoth Aligansaar

Oh, one last thing. If I am going one-handed, what weapon would you recommend please?

Scimitar for extended crit range.

K.
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Quote: Posted 01/07/05 15:59:57 (GMT) -- Kalmar_Oxin

If anyone has a great setup for a dual wielder then im really hoping they would post it. I think that wielding two weapons is the coolest weaponstance.

If it could be made to use no items other than mundane stuff, then it would be preferable.

All goes on this one. Just some cool ideas would be nice

Search for the Rogue/Fighter/Weapon Master builds. I think there's one called the something Marauder. I use a dwarf Rogue/Ftr/WM dual-wielding scimitars on a PW and he's quite effective. For tough-hitting foes I pull out my tower shield to ramp up my AC.

Kaliban.
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Quote: Posted 01/07/05 16:02:54 (GMT) -- Kalmar_Oxin

A tank. He needs to have loads of HP, good AB, dmg reduc, fairly good AC.

Anything goes so i hope someone has the idea of what is the best melee tank possible. Warrior classes would be preferable. e.i Barbarian, Fighter, WM, DwD, Ranger.

Search for the barbarian builds. I'm thinking of the Thundering Barbarian and then there's one called the Raging Barbarian I think?

Here's someone's build I use on a PW:
-The Screaming Barbarian Build-

Race: Half-Orc *
Class: Fighter
Alignment: True Neutral

Ability[modifier]
STR: 18[4]
DEX: 8 [-1]
CON: 18[4]
WIS: 8 [0]
INT: 10[-1] **
CHA: 6 [-2]

Do not use any skill points at this point.

Toughness
Weapon Focus(greataxe) *** +

-Bare Stats- ****

AC: 9
HP: 15/15

Main Weapon: Unarmed
Attack Bonus: +5
Damage: 1-3+4(Critical: 20/ x2)
Offhand Weapon: Not Applicable
Fortitude: 6
Reflex: -1
Will: -1
Base Attack: 1

-Level Layout-

lvl. 1-3: Fighter
lvl. 4-5: Barbarian
lvl. 6: Fighter
lvl. 7-8: Barbarian
lvl. 9: Fighter ++
lvl. 10-20: Barbarian
lvl. 21: Fighter +++
lvl. 22-40: Barbarian

The following feats below are arranged in order according to the levels taken after level 1.

-Pre-Epic Feats for this build-

Power Attack
Cleave
Great Cleave
Improved Power Attack
Weapon Specialization(greataxe) +
Improved Critical(greataxe) +
Lightning Reflexes
Iron Will

-Epic Feats for this build-

Epic Weapon Focus(greataxe) +
Epic Weapon Specialization(greataxe) +
Terrifying Rage
Mighty Rage
Epic Damage Reduction I
Great Strength I
Overwhelming Critical(greataxe) +
Epic Damage Reduction II
Devastating Critical(greataxe) + *****
Thundering Rage
Epic Damage Reduction III

-Max skill at lvl. 40-

Discipline +43
Intimidate +26
Taunt +43
Tumble +21(for AC and Rage purpose[-2 AC in rage])

-Ability increments and Max HP at some levels-

STR Increment: Lvl: 4, 12, 20, 28, 32, 36, 40
CON Increment: Lvl: 8, 16, 24

By level 7, you will have exceeded 100HP(Max 111HP).
By level 13, you will have exceeded 200HP(Max 211HP).
By level 18, you will have exceeded 300HP(Max 314HP).
By level 23, you will have exceeded 400HP(Max 402HP).
By level 29, you will have exceeded 500HP(Max 510HP).
By level 35, you will have exceeded 600HP(Max 618HP).
By level 40, you will have exceeded 700HP(Max 708HP).

-Bare Stats at lvl. 40- ****

Ability[modifier]
STR: 26[8]
DEX: 8 [-1]
CON: 21[5]
WIS: 8 [0]
INT: 10[-1] **
CHA: 6 [-2]

AC: 13
HP: 708/708

Main Weapon: Unarmed
Attack Bonus: +38/+33/+28/+23
Damage: 1-3+8(Critical: 20/ x2)
Offhand Weapon: Not Applicable
Fortitude: 28
Reflex: 17
Will: 17
Base Attack: 30

Main Weapon: Greataxe
Attack Bonus: +41/+36/+31/+26
Damage: 1-12+18(Critical: 19-20/ x3)
Main Weapon: Greataxe +7
Attack Bonus: +48/+43/+38/+33
Damage: 1-12+18(Critical: 19-20/ x3)
+7 Slashing Damage

-In Greater Rage Stats-

STR: 32
CON: 27

AC: 11
HP: 828/828

Main Weapon: Greataxe
Attack Bonus: +44/+39/+34/+29
Damage: 1-12+22(Critical: 19-20/ x3)
Offhand Weapon: Not Applicable
Fortitude: 31
Reflex: 17
Will: 20

-In Mighty Rage Stats-

STR: 34
CON: 29

AC: 13
HP: 868/868

Main Weapon: Greataxe
Attack Bonus: +45/+40/+35/+30
Damage: 1-12+24(Critical: 19-20/ x3)
Fortitude: 32
Reflex: 17
Will: 21

-In Mighty Rage, Thundering Rage-

Main Weapon: Greataxe
Attack Bonus: +45/+40/+35/+30
Damage: 1-12+24(Critical: 19-20/ x3)
Massive Criticals: 2d6 Damage(Temporary)
On Hit: Deafness DC-20 25% / 3 Rounds(Temporary)

===Symbols and meaning===

* You can change this to Human, the only thing that would be affected is the ability that you will have and you might lose certian feats. It is not bad thing, but will take longer to get what you need to get. But, the upside thing to taking the Human race is bonus feat at level 1.

**I didn't want to have a character that can't talk right... but if you don't care about that, then you would want to put either that 4 points into STR or CON, if not, into the DEX or INT(for more skill points) then.

*** Required if you want to get Weapon Spec at earliest oppuntity. It also enables you to get EWS early once you hit Epic levels.

**** Used for comparison between first level and the last level.

***** Can replace that feat with something else if the server does not allow that feat. Best to replace it with Epic Damage Reduction feat.

+ In addition to that, greataxe gives you 3 in critical range, but if you want to have higher damage range, switch that with Greatsword.

++ After this level, don't take Fighter class until you reach level 21, the reason for that is that you want to have minimum levels of fighter. And by taking fighter class at level 21, you will have bonus feat to select from.

+++ Last Fighter class selection.

++++ At this point, you will have 25 Intimidate skill points, stop putting skill points into that skill at that point. You only need 25 Intimidate for Terrifying
Rage.

-Author's additional information-

If you wanted to get Weapon Specialization for exotic weapon, such as Scythe, it will require you to take more fighter levels, probably minimum of 8 levels. All seven have to be taken before the epic levels. Then the last one taken on 21st level.

This build is one of the build that can get all barbarian rages and can get devastating critical and couple of damage reduction plus the fighter's feat, Epic Weapon Specialization. All of those are epic feats.
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