I have been working on a build or two that I think would be interesting to post. A quick question, is there any software that would let me do builds without taking a charcter in the game and actually working it up levels? Some type of database or excel system?
If there were my life would be alot easier.
Marduk
Ummm... I am hoping the lack of response means people are just away for the weekend.
First off thankyou for that, my question though, are there any database programs that would let you do builds without being in game? Just wondered.
Lorethian
sorry . not sure on that,. .. perhaps someone else will know .....and give you a answer !.
Edited By griphook on 06/22/04 00:57
I am bumping this up because I am still looking for software that will let you do character builds out of the game.
I asked this before and it seems that the answer is no. You have to level them in-game.
I am not sure why you would ask? Is there some reason NOT to use a mod to lvl your character? It seems to me that this is the most accurate way as nwn is not exactly like any other game out there (d+d included). It has its own rules that change with updates (like the ones that occured since your original post).
Peace
Well, I can think of a few reasons...you wouldn't have to have NWN installed on the computer you wanted to try building a character on (like while at work). If it was a spreadsheet type thing, you might be able to go back and fix a feat error directly instead of having to delevel all the way back to the mistake and all the way back up. There are a number of reasons why something like that would be nice. And there haven't been all that many changes since HotU that changed what feats/skills you could or couldn't take. Fixes to the way feats/spells/skills work would be largely irrelevant for a program solely used for planning out a build. As long as the prereqs are right, you should be ok.
Steve
Edited By Stravinsky00 on 04/19/05 01:42
All i can suggest is this: either learn the game mechanics so you can do it without the pc (like some of us have done) or make a program on your own! All i can say is: I HOPE IM NOT YOUR BOSS! Playing games at work! What has this world come to?
Lol, work was just an example (although as a biology grad student, I do actually have sufficient downtime in lab while things are incubating to do that if I really wanted to). Personally I do it as you suggest (i.e. manually based on knowing the mechanics by heart mostly), but I can still see the value of such a program. Unfortunately, I doubt one will be made.
Steve
Edited By Stravinsky00 on 04/19/05 17:17
How many millions features would this require? I have a character build thingy that generates pages for my character builds but it's pretty *** code atm as I just add to it as I go.. it's tough to predict everything and i've had to overhall the AB calculating code several times for small things.. The program would only work well if we had several class specialists each inputting seperate classes things and a generalist who could do stuff like Toughness and other stuff..
-DaMouse
There's actually a LETO based program that can spit out very nice looking character build pages from a .bic file. The PRC uses it for the builds on their site. You might find that useful, DaMouse.
Steve
got a name or am I going to have to sleep with people for it? would certainly take tonnes of load off me >_<
-DaMouse
Doing the building in imagiation isnt that difficult really. Well I use good old fashioned pen and paper first. But anyway, all you have to remember is that you get a feat every 3 levels and a stat increase every 4, then you have to have a semi decent memory of the prestice classes and class bonus feats and you are halfway there.
In all honesty its best making any character build with/in a character building module anyway, for conformation that it works if nothing else.
DaMouse: As far as I know, it's not been officially released. If you go to the PRC Page and look at the character builds section, there is an email link to the author at the bottom of each build (plus it will let you see what the pages look like). You could probably get a copy from him.
Mike: Yeah, that's basically what I do...sketch out what feats I need and have room for and a rough order, and then make sure it works before posting. I would always run my builds through a real leveler before posting them.
Steve
To be quite honest I never actually made my "Christophs Dragon" build until about 3 weeks after I posted it.. all theory
-DaMouse
I can't seem to click on any of the builds >_< kinda hard to view them if i can't click them..
-DaMouse
I am an utter retard.. I didn't notice the bottom scroll bar..
Doing the building in imagiation isnt that difficult really. Well I use good old fashioned pen and paper first. But anyway, all you have to remember is that you get a feat every 3 levels and a stat increase every 4, then you have to have a semi decent memory of the prestice classes and class bonus feats and you are halfway there.
In all honesty its best making any character build with/in a character building module anyway, for conformation that it works if nothing else.
I thought about this same software issue for exactly the same reason as has been outlined before.
You build your guy or gal to 40 and realize you messed up at 20. So you must de-level and re-level.
A specific example is with my woodsman who someone rightly point out should have started at lvl 1 with rogue instead of ranger (for the skill points). To be able to edit the bic to fix this would be great. Rather than rebuilding the character. Its basically the same guy, just more skill points and no minimum for wisdom. So it would be quicker/easier than rebuilding.
Secondly, if the bic could be imported into the game as a text file, that would make the builds here far more accessible far more quickly. People post the text file here listing everything about the character, and a bic importer program turns that text into a character.
I've seen and used exporters but no importers. Also, "legal" only characters wuold be a good thing. Or a switch to choose...
I have an Excel spreadsheet that is pretty good. I use it in conjunction with the Grimoire, so that I make sure that I have the necessary requirements for each feat that I take. It does a pretty good job of getting the saves correct, gives you average HP, works out your BAB etc. Let me know if you would like a copy and I'll mail it to you.
uhh.. email it to me please lol.. msn at damouse.co.uk (yay for spam accounts) .. put "Spreadsheet" or something in the topic lol
-DaMouse
Quote: Posted 05/19/05 15:51:01 (GMT) -- mphacon
I have an Excel spreadsheet that is pretty good. I use it in conjunction with the Grimoire, so that I make sure that I have the necessary requirements for each feat that I take. It does a pretty good job of getting the saves correct, gives you average HP, works out your BAB etc. Let me know if you would like a copy and I'll mail it to you.
Me too please. I'll pm you my address.
I have mailed this to a few people, so I decided to upload it to the vault. If it get's approved it will be here: Click Here
I also noticed that there is another similar spreadsheet app in the vault here: Click Here
So i'll be taking a look at that as well.
Oh there's loads lol, I have my own and I'm sure many of the builders do.. just depends on who wants to show them lol.
.. perhaps someone else will 
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