I would like to build an Rouge Arcane Archer who can do HIPS. Since The charector cannot take up shadow dancer is possible to use magic to do this task?

I also wish to take up all 5 feats in self concealment. Is it possible to take up all 5 concealments?

Edited By arunprasaad_s on 07/19/04 17:44

Quote: Posted 07/19/04 17:41:02 (GMT) -- arunprasaad_s

I would like to build an Rouge Arcane Archer who can do HIPS. Since The charector cannot take up shadow dancer is possible to use magic to do this task?

You can take Shadowdancer class.. you just haven't met the requirement of becoming one.

The requirements of becoming one are two feats which are Dodge and Mobility, and you have to have certain amount of skills in Hide, Move Silently, and Tumble. Which is 10 in Hide, 16 in Move Silently, and 10 in Tumble I think.

Since you are taking Rogue class, that should be easy to do. You probably forgot to take something... which prevented you from being able to take Shadowdancer class.

Anuis I cannot become shadow dancer. I want to become a Rouge Acane Archer which Means I have a Rouge/Wizard/Arcane Archer levels. And I cannot take More than 3 classes. So I cannot take shadow dacer. so is there a way to use magic to suplement this? Sorry, I wasn't reading clearly...

But you still can get shadowdancer if you drop the Rogue class. The advantages of taking shadowdancer instead of Rogue will give you more free feats, espcially Hide in Plain Sight, and taking that class will also give you free feats such as Slippery Mind, etc.

Anuis If you really want to do HIPS and want AA, your gonna have to drop the rogue class. Use Bard with AA and SD. Go dex and get 10 levels of SD to get improved evasion. You should be able to get epic dodge.
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"Computers are like air conditioners; They don't work when you open windows" Thanks for the idea. I never thought about bard.

Is there any way by which I can get all 5 feats of self concealment? Can anybody suggest a possible build?

The one other reason I go for Rouge. It is to escape traps. How can a Bard/Arcane Archer/Shadow dancer do this? Ok I totaly forget find traps spell too. So now the charector can handle traps.

Can I have a build so as to gain 1-5 Self Concealment feats? Ill try and see if its possible

Elf
DEX 18 distribute other stats accordingly

1 BARD Dodge
2 BARD
3 BARD Weapon Focus (longbow)
4 BARD
5 BARD
6 BARD Mobility
7 BARD
8 BARD
9 Shadowdancer Point Blank shot
10 Shadowdancer
11 Arcane Archer
12 Arcane Archer Rapid shot
13 Arcane Archer
14 Arcane Archer
15 Arcane Archer Improved Critical (longbow)
16 Arcane Archer
17 Arcane Archer
18 Arcane Archer Blind Fight
19 Shadowdancer
20 Shadowdancer DEX is 23
21 Shadowdancer Great DEX 1(24)
22 Shadowdancer
23 Shadowdancer
24 Shadowdancer Great DEX 2(25) DEX(26)
25 Shadowdancer
26 Shadowdancer
27 Shadowdancer Great DEX 3(27)
28 Shadowdancer Epic Dodge DEX(28)
29 Shadowdancer
30 Shadowdancer Great DEX 4(29)
31 Shadowdancer
32 Shadowdancer DEX(30) Self Concealment 1*
33 Shadowdancer Self Concealment II
34 Shadowdancer
35 Shadowdancer Self Concealment III*
36 Shadowdancer Self Concealment IV
37 Shadowdancer
38 Shadowdancer Self Concealment V*
39 Arcane Archer Epic Weapon Focus
40 Bard (to max UMD) or arcane archer if you prefer.

BAB at 20 is 17 so you get the 4 attacks per round.

IM going to go check out that the build is ok since im working from my head.

Edit worked out ok , but swap the first four feats like this Point Blank shot, Dodge, Mobility , Weapon Focus (Longbow)
AB was 46/41/36/31
AC was 29

The reason for so many shadowdancer levels is that you really need this to get SC 5 since its one of the few classes that has this as a bonus feat. This brings the arcane archers AB down a little to more normal levels.

Looks an interesting build.

Syrath

Edited By syrath1001 on 07/24/04 14:58

With the low arcane archer levels the damage output won't be very spectacular. You'll have a character that is hard to hit, but anything with damage reductio will puts a big damper on your day. Hi there Emril, actually its not that bad I equipped him with standartd hotu items. (robe of the shining hand +7, bracers of dex +10, strength belt +10, ring of elemental immunity, ring of protection +9, amulet of natural armour +7, boots of the sun soul +5.

He took out a Prismatic Dragon without relying on buffs or even summoning his shadow. He had 89 of his 228 hit points left.

I dont think that is doing too badly myself.

Syrath Rather than going so heavy SD, you could go 12 Bard/10 SD/18 AA. You would get a decent bard song (+2 ab/+2 ac/+3 dmg), lots of buff spells including imp inv for the 50% concealment, decent damage and good ab. Self concealment really ISN'T worth the 5 feats.

Stats
str 10
dex 18
con 12
int 14
wis 8
chr 14

Lvling Order
8 Bard
10 AA
2 SD
8 AA
8 SD
4 Bard

Ending Stats
str 10
dex 34 (6 great dex feats)
con 12
int 14
wis 8
chr 14

With this you can 40 hide/move silently, disc, spellcraft, tumble, UMD and 18 perform (260)

This has better damage, ab, ac then getting self conceal 50% For what its worth I agree, but the fact of the matter is I took him against a prismatic dragon and only took 140 damage total during the entire fight thanks to the way the build is made up. I dont think I could have said the same with more AA levels. However more AA would make a much better offensive character.

Syrath