I was actually going through my previous Challenge post again, and I found out we haven't met the challenge yet

I want to have the following in my build:
- high dex
- epic dodge
- evasion
- high ac (above 70)
- good ab (40+ and decent nr of attacks, 4?)
- epic mage armour spell
- epic dr spell
- max tumble
- max umd
- immune to crits

Is this actually possible? I haven't seen it yet. Oh and I am not looking for a shifter build.
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- immune to crits
Must be one of Sorc/PM, Wiz/PM, Bard/PM

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- epic dodge
- max umd
Of all Epic Dodge combinations, only Rogue gets this.

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- epic mage armour spell
- epic dr spell
Can be gotten fastest with 16 levels of PM.


Ergo, if it can be gotten at all, its a Rogue/*/PM.

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- good ab (40+ and decent nr of attacks, 4?)
3 attacks with main-hand, average BAB is all those classes can get. Dual-wield gives you more attacks, but lowers your BAB even more. Pick your poison.

. . .and you have enough info to look this up yourself in the Build list now.
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Edited By xitooner on 08/27/04 11:57

- high ac (above 70)

I take it you mean with items? Cause I don't think you can get there naked or with mundane items. The highest I got naked is 40 AC (Monk), but it perhaps could be more when sacrificing attibute points and feats for more DEX en WIS, however the build won't be very effective anymore then. With +70 ac I mean with +5 items and buffs.

Oh and xtooner, you can do better than that
Me looking things up is not a challenge for you.

Come on guys, giving up so soon?
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Oh and xtooner, you can do better than that
Me looking things up is not a challenge for you.

No, its you being lazy, since I got you 90% of the way there. And actually, no I cant do better than that; life does take precedence on occasion, and I have my own challenges to meet. If anyone else has time to spare to do lookup for you, or happens to have a build on hand, thats great for you, of course.
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Edited By xitooner on 08/27/04 13:02

Good luck with your challenges tooner. And thanks for your help on my build.

You know, sometimes I accuse chessnuts of being lazy... sigh
Quote: Posted 08/27/04 07:58:07 (GMT) -- tanassi

I want to have the following in my build:
- high dex
- epic dodge
- evasion
- high ac (above 70)
- good ab (40+ and decent nr of attacks, 4?)
- epic mage armour spell
- epic dr spell
- max tumble
- max umd
- immune to crits

What you want can not be done on one character. It is not possible. If it was everyone and their mother would be playing it. It is requiring at least 4 different classes to accomplish. The best I ever did to meet all those was my bad to the bone build, but it wasn't high dex and didnt have evasion or epic dodge.
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Quote: Posted 08/27/04 07:58:07 (GMT) -- tanassi


I want to have the following in my build:
- high dex
- epic dodge
- evasion
- high ac (above 70)
- good ab (40+ and decent nr of attacks, 4?)
- epic mage armour spell
- epic dr spell
- max tumble
- max umd
- immune to crits

1. Epic dodge must be a rogue or a shadowdancer
2. MAX UMD must be a rogue, assassin or bard
3. Good AB must be a combat class to get the 4 attacks as well.
4. Epic Mage armor , must be a wiz class
5. Epic DR spell, must be a wiz class
6. Immune to crits - Palemaster

So for 6 we need palemaster/wiz to start with
For 1 and 2 we must have a rogue
For 4 attacks we must have a combat class

So we have a fighter/rogue/wiz/palemaster(swap wiz for bard or sorcerer)That doesnt have any wiz/palemaster levels pre epic and has at least 4 levels of fighter.

Sounds a fantastic idea, but dream on.

Syrath
Quote: Good luck with your challenges tooner. And thanks for your help on my build.

Your welcome; sorry if I was snippy earlier. Mornings get a little rough over here on this end sometimes. . .
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Sorry guys, just wanted to know how far I could push your briliant builds. You have helped me tremendously and I am already working on 2 of your buids, they are gonna rule the server

Ok now I am gonna bug others with requesting a sneak attacking pure monk, and I am gonna claim I invented the question mark!
Quote: Posted 08/27/04 15:18:34 (GMT) -- tanassi

So howcome a fighter/rogue/wiz/palemaster is not possible? Should we report this as a bug???
Just incase you are not joking, 3 class limit.
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Sorry guys, just wanted to know how far I could push your briliant builds. You have helped me tremendously and I am already working on 2 of your buids, they are gonna rule the server

Ok now I am gonna bug others with requesting a sneak attacking pure monk, and I am gonna claim I invented the question mark!

Make a Level 40 monk , load up leto and give him the feat sneak attack +20d6

Syrath This is my shot at the build, it has everything you asked for. It will have a hard time hitting anything higher up on aventia though, your best bet is to work in a party and flank for sneak attacks.

Scrolls will really help your char, scrolls of imp evasion, divine power etc will really help.

Rogue 16/PM 16/Bard 8

Leveling order
Rogue 12
Bard 8
Rogue 1
PM 16
Rogue 3

Human
Starting Stats
str 12
dex 17
con 13
int 12
wis 8
chr 13

feats
1 ambi, twf
3 wp prof exotic
6 wf kukri
9 dodge
10 Imp Evasion
12 imp crit kukri
15 imp twf
18 whatever
21 ewf kukri, defensive roll
24 Armor Skin
27 Gr Dex 1
30 Gr Dex 2
33 Gr Dex 3
34 Gr Dex 4
36 EP Mage Armor
37 EP Warding
39 Gr Dex 5
40 Epic Dodge

Ending Stats
str 12
dex 32
con 13
int 12
wis 8
chr 14

naked stats (with tower shield)
ab - 25 + 3 + 2 + 13 + 3 = 46
ac - 10 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 13 + 4 + 20 + 8 + 10 + 2 = 71

On aventia
(+7 items, with +12 dex)
ab - 25 + 3 + 2 + 17 + 7 = 54
(52)52/47/42 52/47 (dual wielding)
ac - 10 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 17 + 4 + 5 + 8 + 10 + 35 + 2 = 95 (86 when dual wielding)


Ends with
- high dex (max 44)
- epic dodge (yep)
- evasion (imp evasion of course)
- high ac (max 95)
- good ab (max 54, or 6 attacks when dual wielding)
- epic mage armour spell (yep)
- epic dr spell (yep)
- max tumble (yep)
- max umd (yep)
- immune to crits (yep)
+ some decent lvl 3 buffs
Quote: Posted 08/27/04 19:44:08 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

This is my shot at the build, it has everything you asked for. It will have a hard time hitting anything higher up on aventia though, your best bet is to work in a party and flank for sneak attacks.

Scrolls will really help your char, scrolls of imp evasion, divine power etc will really help.

Rogue 16/PM 16/Bard 8

Leveling order
Rogue 12
Bard 8
Rogue 1
PM 16
Rogue 3

Human
Starting Stats
str 12
dex 17
con 13
int 12
wis 8
chr 13

feats
1 ambi, twf
3 wp prof exotic
6 wf kukri
9 dodge
10 Imp Evasion
12 imp crit kukri
15 imp twf
18 whatever
21 ewf kukri, defensive roll
24 Armor Skin
27 Gr Dex 1
30 Gr Dex 2
33 Gr Dex 3
34 Gr Dex 4
36 EP Mage Armor
37 EP Warding
39 Gr Dex 5
40 Epic Dodge

Ending Stats
str 12
dex 32
con 13
int 12
wis 8
chr 14

naked stats (with tower shield)
ab - 25 + 3 + 2 + 13 + 3 = 46
ac - 10 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 13 + 4 + 20 + 8 + 10 + 2 = 71

On aventia
(+7 items, with +12 dex)
ab - 25 + 3 + 2 + 17 + 7 = 54
(52)52/47/42 52/47 (dual wielding)
ac - 10 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 17 + 4 + 5 + 8 + 10 + 35 + 2 = 95 (86 when dual wielding)


Ends with
- high dex (max 44)
- epic dodge (yep)
- evasion (imp evasion of course)
- high ac (max 95)
- good ab (max 54, or 6 attacks when dual wielding)
- epic mage armour spell (yep)
- epic dr spell (yep)
- max tumble (yep)
- max umd (yep)
- immune to crits (yep)
+ some decent lvl 3 buffs

Just curious and it might be a mistake or something I didnt realise but how did you manage to take a great dex on level 34 on a palemaster level.

Syrath
Quote: Posted 08/27/04 19:44:08 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

Human
Starting Stats
str 12
dex 17
con 13
int 12
wis 8
chr 13

I think you overspent on your starting stats...
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Quote: Posted 08/27/04 19:52:37 (GMT) -- syrath1001

Just curious and it might be a mistake or something I didnt realise but how did you manage to take a great dex on level 34 on a palemaster level.

Syrath

You are right, that's what I get for trying to fit in a build before heading to out. Remove 2 of those great dex and replace with epic prowness and ep energy res fire 1.


Quote: Posted 08/28/04 01:08:02 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din

Quote: Posted 08/27/04 19:44:08 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

Human
Starting Stats
str 12
dex 17
con 13
int 12
wis 8
chr 13

I think you overspent on your starting stats...
oops was wondering why I had 13 con, supposed to be 12.

Edited By evo_dragon on 08/28/04 04:37

Quote: Posted 08/28/04 04:36:32 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

Quote: Posted 08/27/04 19:52:37 (GMT) -- syrath1001

Just curious and it might be a mistake or something I didnt realise but how did you manage to take a great dex on level 34 on a palemaster level.

Syrath

You are right, that's what I get for trying to fit in a build before heading to out. Remove 2 of those great dex and replace with epic prowness and ep energy res fire 1.


Quote: Posted 08/28/04 01:08:02 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din

Quote: Posted 08/27/04 19:44:08 (GMT) -- evo_dragon

Human
Starting Stats
str 12
dex 17
con 13
int 12
wis 8
chr 13

I think you overspent on your starting stats...
oops was wondering why I had 13 con, supposed to be 12.

Happens to us all I was hopeful you had found a new way to get great dex ). I could have used that

Syrath HAHA! I found my build. Too cool! thanks!