Just some help with a lvl 30 sorcerer that can auto still 3, and can use a sword as best as possible, not looking for anything flash, just legitemate.
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-Kor'Maril Val'Sadar If you want a a sword-weilding Sorcerer, it might be best to be Lawful Good, so you can make use of the Charisma as a fighter. I included Fighter and Paladin Levels here. If you don't want to be good, just replace the Paladin levels with more fighter levels.

Starting Stats:
Human
Lawful Good

STR- 15
DEX- 10
CON- 12
WIS- 14
CHA- 15

Level Progression:
17 levels of Sorcerer
3 levels of Fighter
1 level of Sorcerer
2 levels Paladin
1 level Sorcerer
2 levels Paladin
1 level Sorcerer
2 levels Fighter
1 level Sorcerer

21 Sorcerer/5 Fighter/4 Paladin

Taken this way, if you maximize Concentration and Spellcraft with every Sorcerer level, you should get Auto Still Spell at level 30. Could I take some blackguard instead of paladin?
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-Kor'Maril Val'Sadar yeah use BG and if you can attain good AC with a greatsword or another big weapon then remember to increase the 13+ requirement str to 14 to gain more power from the twohanded weapon. Divine might and divine shield are really good for such a build.

I suggest u take 16sorc/3BG/1fighter as per lvl 20 and then quickly gain more prowess by taking 2 lvls of ftr for additionel feats and then 1 sorc. at lvl 24 u would get a bonus epic feat and a normal feat, which i would use for epic wpn spec. then you can aquire 1 sorc bonus feat because at lvl 30 your setup would look like this:
23sorc/3BG/4ftr.

Hope this helps

Edited By Kalmar_Oxin on 01/11/05 23:18

Quote: Posted 01/11/05 18:10:46 (GMT) -- sheredom

Could I take some blackguard instead of paladin?

Yep. And the Blackguard spell Bull's Strength stacks onto another Bull's Strength.

One of my favorite builds is a Bard/RDD/BG. She's a monster.

You could also go Champion of Torm if you like. CoT's get lots of feats like a fighter, but don't carry the possibility of experience penalties like fighters do.


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Can I take Epic Weapon specializeation with a Champion of Torm?

Also, using a great weapon means I cannot get the extra AC benifits of a shield, and being an Auto Still Spell mage, is it worth it?
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-Kor'Maril Val'Sadar Debatable; since you could use spells to cover your shortcomings from a shield. Catch is that normal (ie non-epic) spells are dispellable; so you will be in deep trouble if you are up against a fighter/caster mob collection.
Quote: Posted 01/15/05 13:06:11 (GMT) -- sheredom

A few things;

Can I take Epic Weapon specializeation with a Champion of Torm?

Only if you have taken weapon specialisation as a fighter pre epic. (unless of course thats been nerfed by 1.65 patch)

Syrath I am also looking for a good Fighter-type Sorc build.

Actually to be more accurate, more Sorc than Fighter, but one where the caster can duke it out if need be.

I know the more popular fighter/caster is the Fighter/Wiz variety (like one of my friend's Fighter/WM/Wiz combo, which is pretty darn effective at dishing out damage).

I thought to add just a bit more variety to the party, I'd do a Fighter (or Pally or BG)/WM/Sorc combo. I know it doesn't work *quite* as well as the Wizard one, since the Wiz gains extra feats that the Sorcerer doesn't get when helping out with the WM class feats. But I just like the way the Sorc casts spells (I hate book learnin').

Has anyone dared to create a Fighter-type/WM/Sorc combo? I want at least 20+ levels of Sorc, since I want an Epic Spell or two and better SR defeating type ability.

Anyone successfully do say a Pally (or BG)/RDD/Sorc combo? Prolly not as good combat damage as the WM version, but with the STR bonuses and all, could be decent ..

Thanks in advance for your opinions!

Joe
Quote: Posted 01/17/05 17:02:35 (GMT) -- JettaJoe
Anyone successfully do say a Pally (or BG)/RDD/Sorc combo? Prolly not as good combat damage as the WM version, but with the STR bonuses and all, could be decent ..

Joe

Yes, I think, well I haven't tested it. 40 AB, 4 attacks per round, auto still spell 3 and level 18 Sorc. Umm... if you want 4 attacks per round you basically have a choice between auto-still spell 2 and 3 and an epic spell. With the shortage of feats and the need to take most of the sorc. levels epic, you can't really get auto still or epic spells until level 36 or 39. So either you go sorc 21/RDD 10/Paladin 9 and get an epic spell and another feat, or you go sorc 18/RDD 14/Paladin 8 and get the 3 auto stills.
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Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do. Do you not need to be level 21 to get the auto still feats?
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-Kor'Maril Val'Sadar Yup, you're right. I just checked, I thought all you needed was the ability to cast level 9 spells. In that case, I don't think it's possible to have Auto. Still 3 and 4 attacks per round. By epic levels you can at best be Pally 8/RDD 8/Sorc 4. If you take the next 17 levels as Sorc that would make you a Pally 8/RDD 8/Sorc 21 at level 37, that leaves level 39 for autostill spell or an epic spell, if you went Pally 6/RDD 8/Sorc 6 at level 20, you could go Pally 6/RDD 10/Sorc 24 at level 40 and use 36,39 and the sorc bonus feat to get all the auto stills. But you would only 3 attacks per turn and no epic spells.

I guess fighter/wiz is just plain better as a spellsword. I even worked up a version of my Magical Marauder that gives up disarm, improved disarm and improved combat casting to get a 37 fortitude save and 40 more hit points.
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Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do. Hehe, wouldn't work for me, I need a lvl 30 build You can take autostill at lvl18 for a wizard; lvl19 for a sorcerer provided your _character_ level is above lvl21; and able to cast lvl9 spells. Epic spells require 21 levels of the mage class to take. There are three autostill feats to take; otherwise it's worthless since it works in three levels. So if you take autostill 1 at lvl30; you will only be autostilled on lvl0-3 spells

Edited By Khandahr on 01/19/05 09:16

JettaJoe, have you checked the index? There are tons of melee/Sorc builds.

As for the Sorc/RDD/BG build, here is my favorite version:

Sorc 23/RDD 10/Blackguard 7
(pre-epic Sorc 6/RDD 8/Blackguard 6)

Race: Human

Stats

Starting:

Str 14
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 14
Wis 8
Cha 16

Put 2 points into Cha, then 8 points into Str

Ending:

Str 30
Dex 10
Con 16
Int 16
Wis 8
Cha 20


Feats

1 Power Attack, Cleave
3 Still Spell
6 Spell Pen.
9 Greater Spell Pen.
12 Weapon Focus: Scimitar
15 Great Cleave
18 Improved Crit: Scimitar
21 Epic Weapon Focus
24 Overwhelming Critical
27 Devastating Critical
30 Epic Spell Penetration
33 Auto Still-Spell I
36 Auto-Still Spell II
39 Auto-Still Spell III, Sorc: Epic Warding


Skills:

Concentration: 43
Discipline: 43
Healing: 42
Hide: 5 (min for Blackguard)
Lore: 20
Spellcraft: 40
Tumble: 21


Total: 235 skill credits

AB: 25 base
+10 Str
+1 WF
+2 EWF
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38 w/ mundane Scimitar

AC: 10 base
+8 Full Plate
+3 Tower Shield
+4 Tumble
+4 Draconic Armor
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29 w/ mundane armor

HP: ~350

If you didn't want the Spell Pen. feats, you could take Spell Focus or Metamagic feats instead.

Alternatively, you could play a Paladin rather than a Blackguard, but since your Paladin level would be so low you wouldn't be able to cast the Holy Sword spell, meaning that you would have to find a weapon with this property if you wanted to be able to use a Holy Avenger. Thanks a LOT for posting that build, CC! Very nice of ya to take the time to do.

On my PW, Devastating Crit has been banned, so prolly would swap out it and OC from the list of feats and take probably one or more spell penetration feats.

Though am still up in the air as to what I want to do with it. I know I want mostly caster (to get thru the SR's of some of the critters on that realm), but trying both to determine just how MUCH caster and what Fighter class(s) to go with it.

The Pally/RDD/Sorc has the a lot of good synergy to it. The Fighter/WM/Sorc less so. Though I think the Fighter/WM version can do a lot more melee damage. Haven't run the numbers to make sure, however. And I'm sure it will be a bit feat starved as well.

In that build I'd probably want at least 22-23 levels of Sorcability. Mainly for the SR and the Epic Spells (even if most of them suck). Though Hellball was upped in that world.

Keep the ideas a comin'!

Thanks again, CC .. will definitely look into that build of yours when I have the time here.

Joe My lvl 30 sorc am looking for is to be a decent enough sorc, but with as good melee damage as possible. I choose most spells that will buff up my character than attack. Any help please?
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Quote: Posted 02/03/05 14:48:45 (GMT) -- sheredom

My lvl 30 sorc am looking for is to be a decent enough sorc, but with as good melee damage as possible. I choose most spells that will buff up my character than attack. Any help please?

Off the top of my head, I'm going to say try something like Sorc 16/Fighter 4/RDD 10. Pre-epic, that would be Sorc 8/Fighter 4/RDD 8, which will end up with an BAB of 14 by lvl 20, or 19 by lvl 30.

Sorc 16/Fighter 4/RDD 10

Race: Human

Stats:

Starting

Str 14
Dex 14
Con 14
Int 14
Wis 8
Cha 14

+2 Cha, +8 Str

Ending

Str 30
Dex 14
Con 16
Int 16
Wis 8
Cha 18

Feats

1 Power Attack, Cleave
3 Weapon Focus: Greatsword
6 Toughness, Great Cleave *
9 Extend Spell, Knockdown *
12 Blind-Fight
15 Improved Critical, Weapon Spec *
18 Empower Spell
21 Epic Weapon Focus
24 Armor Skin
27 Overwhelming Critical
30 Devastating Critical

* Fighter bonus feat

AB:

19 base
+10 Str
+1 WF
+1 EWF
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31 AB w/ mundane Greatsword

AC:

10 base
+2 Dex
+2 Armor Skin
+4 Draconic Armor
+3 Tumble
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21 naked AC

Note that if you took your 4th Fighter level 24, you could get Epic Weapon Spec as well as Weapon Spec, which would give you an additional +4 damage. The downside to this is that you would lose 2 AC from Armor Skin and 1 AB because you would be taking fewer Fighter levels pre-epic.
Quote: Posted 01/17/05 17:02:35 (GMT) -- JettaJoe

I am also looking for a good Fighter-type Sorc build.

Actually to be more accurate, more Sorc than Fighter, but one where the caster can duke it out if need be.

I know the more popular fighter/caster is the Fighter/Wiz variety (like one of my friend's Fighter/WM/Wiz combo, which is pretty darn effective at dishing out damage).

I thought to add just a bit more variety to the party, I'd do a Fighter (or Pally or BG)/WM/Sorc combo. I know it doesn't work *quite* as well as the Wizard one, since the Wiz gains extra feats that the Sorcerer doesn't get when helping out with the WM class feats. But I just like the way the Sorc casts spells (I hate book learnin').

Has anyone dared to create a Fighter-type/WM/Sorc combo? I want at least 20+ levels of Sorc, since I want an Epic Spell or two and better SR defeating type ability.

Anyone successfully do say a Pally (or BG)/RDD/Sorc combo? Prolly not as good combat damage as the WM version, but with the STR bonuses and all, could be decent ..

Thanks in advance for your opinions!

Joe

I have made a build that's probably what you're looking for. You get 4 attacks, auto still 3 and lvl 9 sorc spells. You also get lvl 2 pally spells so you can combine aura of glory with eagle's splendor. You can choose between full RDD bonuses or epic spells.

Here's the link: Click Here
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Edited By Mick Dagger on 02/04/05 08:55

Cool...that's pretty darn close to what I want.

Though it looks like in order to get my 4 attacks/round, I will have to say goodbye to Epic Spells.

I might just go F/RDD/Sorc and see where that takes me. Or go with my original idea of F/WM/Sorc.

Too bad those darn Sorc's are so feat-starved .. sigh.

Thanks again for the link ..

Joe You can get 4 attacks and epic spells, but then you won't get all the RDD bonuses.
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