I'm sure I've already read this but I cant find it again soooooo Please please please help.. What the lowest level someone has actaul got these stats on a playable character ? and was it pure rogue ?
Its easier with an epic shadowdancer actually, since they get a bonus feat every 3 levels as opposed to an epic rogue who gets a bonus feat every 4 levels.
Elf or halfing Rogue / Shadowdancer/harper scout Start with DEX =20
* needed for build ,all epic feats are needed as well. Level 33 and ED and SC 5
Im fairly sure thats the earliest you can get all the feats. Someone may well correct me on that.
Syrath _________________ It's SHADOWDANCER, dammit, shadowdancer!!!
Fantastic thanks both of you ? . S with this build im guessing you'd suggest Daggers as tne duel Wield ?
Elf Shortswords Halfing Daggers
Im too used to doing human builds 1 Rogue Dodge 2 Rogue 3 Rogue Weapon finesse 4 Rogue 5 Rogue 6 Rogue Mobility 7 Rogue 8 Rogue 9 Rogue Ambidexterity 10 Rogue Improved Evasion 11 Rogue 12 Rogue 2 Weapon Fighting* 13 Shadowdancer 14 Shadowdancer 15 Shadowdancer Alertness* 16 Shadowdancer 17 Shadowdancer 18 Shadowdancer Iron Will 19 Shadowdancer 20 Shadowdancer DEX =25
If you want imp 2 weapon fighting you will have to do it in epic levels.
Syrath _________________ It's SHADOWDANCER, dammit, shadowdancer!!!
Personally Id use kukris as the weapon in both the elf and halfling cases, since it counts as a tiny weapon and has an excellent crit range.
But for kukris you have to give up a feat for exotic proficiency.
Ya..but you get another general feat at level 36 and another at level 39. So if you want to delay the SC5 a bit kukris are viable.
If you can find decent Khukuris then go that route but the Leech daggers awe potentially very dangerous in the right hands, ask my friend Fred
-DaMouse
Hmm. I was trying to subsitute Ranger in for Harper Scout but I wasn't getting the Great Dex feats (they were not choosable).
So, why exactly the Harper Scout in this build? Is it because he has no class specific epic feats so you are allowed to choose GD?
I was also trying to get the 4 attacks (+16 BAB) with the Ranger levels so I added in a few pre-epic.
Either way, somehow it got slightly snafu'd along the way.
So, if the key to this puzzle is the Harper Scout, could someone please explain why the Harper Scout is important.
Any classes bonus feats cna be used to take epic bonus feats. For a harper scout this includes Great DEX at level 1 and 5. This gives you 2 extra great DEX feats that otherwise you wouldnt have had access to. This means that at level 25 this build has the highest DEX possible in the game. Only assassins/bards/arcane archers/harper scouts have access to great DEX as a bonus feat.
Any classes bonus feats cna be used to take epic bonus feats. For a harper scout this includes Great DEX at level 1 and 5. This gives you 2 extra great DEX feats that otherwise you wouldnt have had access to. This means that at level 25 this build has the highest DEX possible in the game. Only assassins/bards/arcane archers/harper scouts have access to great DEX as a bonus feat.
Syrath
So Harper Scout is absolutely necessary then...
Would this build sort of work if you went Assasin/Rogue/Ranger putting the Assasin lvl's where the Harper Scouts were?
Assassin levels where the harper scouts levels are dont give you Great DEX feats. You need to have level 14/18/22/26/30 assassin to get the great dex feats.
However for an assassin/rogue to qualify for epic dodge you need 13 levels of rogue minimum. You need 14 levels of assassin to qualify for your first great dex (bonus) feat so thats you at level 27 without even considering ranger.
The whole idea was to get SC5/ED at the earliest level, this "build" showed you how.
Personally I wouldnt use it, but then im not a fan of harper scout.
Quote: Posted 03/24/05 09:38:30 (GMT) -- Banshe So, why exactly the Harper Scout in this build? Is it because he has no class specific epic feats so you are allowed to choose GD?
Most bonus feat in epic levels allows you to choose from the corresponding epic class list. In this case however harper scout is never epic but it does get the bard list so great DEX is available.
