I was looking at the build for Cinnabar Din's Favoured of Moradin here:
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In this thread a saving throw cap is talked about (at +20). My question is what counts towards this cap?

I am doubting that the regular feats do:
Iron Will/Lightening Reflexes/Great Fortitude
Epic Will/Reflexes/Fortitude

What about the following?
Luck of Hero's
Divine Grace
Sacred Defense
Dark Blessing
Spellcraft
Hardiness vs Spells/Illusions

Example:
Dwarven Paladin 10 Champion of Torm 30 with 24 Charisma.

Divine Grace +7
Sacred Defense +15
Hardiness vs Spells + 2

You might think that this would give you +22 to your saves and +24 vs spells. Is this the case? Or would it be maxed at +20?

Thanks. First off I'd do a search for "saves" because I did a while back and know I read something about the cap.

If it's like the +12 ability or +20 AB cap, your feats usually do not count (Great Fort, Divine Grace, etc.). The cap is usually to magically increased things, like spells or items.

Otherwise you'll have to wait for an expert. There is a cap on saves like everything else, but I've never seen anything written about it.

You should look at Evo_Dragon's Max Save (P7 BG3 CoT30, build. Max Possible Saves Build / Paladin7/Blackguard3/Cot30
It's a cheap trick through alignment shifting and so forth, but that has the highest saves on record I believe.

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Edited By griphook on 07/23/05 18:38

Quote: Posted 07/18/05 18:42:45 (GMT) -- mphacon

In this thread a saving throw cap is talked about (at +20). My question is what counts towards this cap?

I am doubting that the regular feats do:
Iron Will/Lightening Reflexes/Great Fortitude
Epic Will/Reflexes/Fortitude

Correct.

Luck of Hero's: No
Divine Grace: No
Sacred Defense: Yes (bad luck for CoTs)
Dark Blessing: No
Spellcraft: Yes
Hardiness vs Spells/Illusions: Should be No but I´m not sure (Yes wouldn´t make sense).

Basically all direct magical enhancements (abilities that are activated using a script, spells, bonuses from items) count towards that cap.

Quote: Example:
Dwarven Paladin 10 Champion of Torm 30 with 24 Charisma.

Divine Grace +7
Sacred Defense +15
Hardiness vs Spells + 2

You might think that this would give you +22 to your saves and +24 vs spells. Is this the case?

Yes, +22 to saves and +24 vs. spells.
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Edited By Kamiryn on 07/28/05 13:29