Please join the new pre-epic builder's guild and post your ideas there for all of us to use.
The epic builder's forum has been a tremendous resource for a long time. Great thought, strategy and imagination are on display here. I ask that you same builders now turn your talents to helping those of us who play at lower levels; specifically level 1 through level 28.
The pre-epic guild is designed to be a resource for:
All people new to the game, especially people new to AD&D 3rd edition or new to AD&D period.
People who enjoy playing single player modules such as the OC, Pirates, HotU, etc.; experienced or not.
People who enjoy playing on persistant worlds that start your character at low level and make you work to get to level 28 (or so).
Role-playing character ideas.
Powergaming at lower levels.
Non-powergaming.
So far we've got six members and some great build ideas are already up. Check us out; we welcome any and all build ideas as long as they are somewhat playable at lower levels and are capped at 28.
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Edited By Son_of_Vazkor on 04/05/06 00:13
Uh... you're promoting another build in here? man someone might get angry....... Anuis?
Well, I won't take care of that, anyway, it might not be such a bad idea.........no ......... I'm not on his side, really.... no.... aaaaaaarrrgh.... XD
Pre-epic levels are 1-20 by "rule", the builds at the mainpage do have a level 20 downloadable version, which are strong, or should be, most of them.
Powergaming gets much more on epics....... and most of the builds here are not made straight level 40. (although I've had troubles with dragon builds at levels around 18-32)
I'm not "promoting" a different guild as such, I'm humbly requesting that the excellent members of this guild impart some of their wisdom by posting custom, low level build ideas on the pre epic guild pages. I don't see these two guilds as being in competition, one is focused on high level builds and one on low. If any member or owner of the epic builders guild is offended then I offer my sincere apology. By all means lock/delete this thread if it is in bad taste.
As for whether the pre-epic guild is truly pre-epic (being capped at level 28, not 20), well I leave that to others to ponder. The pre-epic guild is designed to be a resource for anyone who enjoys playing from level 1 up, through modules and those pertinant PWs.
I don't think there's any problem advertising your guild here. I think the idea itself is reasonably solid, too. I'd offer up some builds, but I've already posted a bunch in the Epic guild and I try to design mine so they're playable from level 1 anyway, so in many cases, I'd just end up offering a truncated version of the same builds.
*shrug* Perhaps I'll give it some thought though. _________________ Where I'm playing now: World of Greyhawk.
I'm not "promoting" a different guild as such, I'm humbly requesting that the excellent members of this guild impart some of their wisdom by posting custom, low level build ideas on the pre epic guild pages. I don't see these two guilds as being in competition, one is focused on high level builds and one on low. If any member or owner of the epic builders guild is offended then I offer my sincere apology. By all means lock/delete this thread if it is in bad taste.
No worries Son_of_Vazkor. Not planning to shut down this thread anytime soon.
After all, Epic characters comes from pre-epics.
Anuis _________________ - Epic Character Builders Guild
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If the name is pre-epic builders' guild, shouldn't the builds go up to level 20 instead of circa 28? It doesn't make any sense _________________ "And one calculates time from the dies nefastus on which this fatality arose – from the first day of Christianity! – Why not rather from its last? – From today? – Revaluation of all values!"
Quote: Posted 04/06/06 22:14:08 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din
I try to design mine so they're playable from level 1 anyway, so in many cases, I'd just end up offering a truncated version of the same builds.
Ditto. Nearly all of mine are built with pre-epic in mind. A level 40 build should not presume that it is built for a level 40 environ. Albeit, there are plenty that do it, but there are quite a few builders who create with pre-epic in mind, and then try to peak or mature the build in the mid 20s. _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
If the name is pre-epic builders' guild, shouldn't the builds go up to level 20 instead of circa 28? It doesn't make any sense
Perhaps they should call it the "Not-Quite-So-Epic Builders Guild"?
TM
I build most my builds playable too (all?), but i would still do some things different if ending the build at 28. You know, not desperately taking great dexes for reaching SC for example. Playable is one thing. Aiming for most power when going at Big M is another. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
I run the Pre-Epic Builders guild. Join and share your experience.
If the name is pre-epic builders' guild, shouldn't the builds go up to level 20 instead of circa 28? It doesn't make any sense
Ah, well, technically speaking yes. But level 20 is a rather unwieldy stopping point. The pre-epic builders guild is designed primarily for people who enjoy playing through the original modules, up to and including HotU, hence the cap of level 28. Also intended for anyone playing on PWs that start you at low level. Again, I will leave it for others to ponder whether the guild is suitably named or not. Also, you need not build to level 28 - that's just the cap. If you have a build for a level 20 cap PW then by all means post it. if you have a level 18 build specific for the OC then post it. If you have a level 15 to 28 build for HotU ... But the theme of the guild is "play all the way," meaning play from level 1, so for the most part that is what you will see there in the way of builds. Again, you guys are the experts and I would love to see you apply your imagination to this new challenge. However I am avoiding individual invites because I don't want to be a pest. I hope this thread has peaked your collective interest and you will check out what we have so far. Thanks to Anuis for being cool with everything.
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I must echo Grimnir's thoughts in response to Cin Din and the Grizzled One. Things like epic dodge and outsider shape have to be carefully considered when your character is capped at 28; quite simply, one must ask if it is worth the sacrifice in other areas. And feats like terrifying rage become even more valuable because you don't have to sacrifice playability to get them. And if you build your character around a level 24 feat, is it worth it for the three levels that you get to use it? Also, the PEB guild welcomes all RP ideas and even single or 2 class builds; I don't expect to see stricly 3 class powergaming. When I think of how many different single class rogues I've played, I realize that every class has infinite identities.
[...]if you have a level 18 build specific for the OC then post it. If you have a level 15 to 28 build for HotU ... But the theme of the guild is "play all the way," meaning play from level 1[...]
_________________ "And one calculates time from the dies nefastus on which this fatality arose – from the first day of Christianity! – Why not rather from its last? – From today? – Revaluation of all values!"
[...]if you have a level 18 build specific for the OC then post it. If you have a level 15 to 28 build for HotU ... But the theme of the guild is "play all the way," meaning play from level 1[...]
Finneous, I do believe you are deliberately misunderstanding me. Or, as our revered president might say, misunderestimating me. Read my entire post and ponder it briefly. If you are still confused, we must accept that we will always be seperated by an ocean of misunderstanding. Or a river of confusion. Or a bridge of - ah , nevermind.
Finneous, I do believe you are deliberately misunderstanding me.
What!? I would never, ever do such a thing! I mean, it's not nice _________________ "And one calculates time from the dies nefastus on which this fatality arose – from the first day of Christianity! – Why not rather from its last? – From today? – Revaluation of all values!"
Oh, well, I might as well go there when I have time, I've been busy lately and haven't even posted the build I said I was going to make in the Request Build Board about a week ago......
It should change critically in some builds though, sometimes I use a lot of fighter-BAB-progression classes on pre-epic levels and leave other classes, like buffing bard or something, on epics, making it less playable but more AB at the end, anyway, leaving 8 levels of epic would let you get some useful epic feats.
Quote: Perhaps they should call it the "Not-Quite-So-Epic Builders Guild"?
LOL, who would enter something like that? it sounds much better as Pre-Epic Character Builds.
Crom's Demons, Griz, I need you to join! I don't care if you post an irrelevant drunken rant and never come back. The PEB guild aint legit until you post something. Same for you, CD.
It doesn't make any sense 
