I've decided to post another version, using a longsword and dagger, but both dex & str based. So far, I've only figured out 2 classes, and want the help of everyone who complained in my previous one to figure out a thir.
So far I'm sticking with a Fighter 10/Rogue 17 (with epic will, slippery mind and epic dodge). The third class I'm leaning towards is WM 13, unless anyone can convince me of a better class to take (and I'll be glad to take it, I don't like wasting 4 feats in a build that needs them so much).
Problem with this build is that it is rather feat starved, and with only a STR of 18, it has what could ony be labelled as a pathetic AB.
I know this is a potentially dumb question, but who is Artemis Enteri, exactly? I'm guessing a character from the FR novelizations (I believe I've deduced that correctly from what I've read on the boards)? I guess I'd need a lot of 'educatin' if I were to try to advise on classes. _________________ This signature will self-destruct in 5 seconds...
Quote: Posted 07/19/06 01:13:52 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din
I know this is a potentially dumb question, but who is Artemis Enteri, exactly? I'm guessing a character from the FR novelizations (I believe I've deduced that correctly from what I've read on the boards)? I guess I'd need a lot of 'educatin' if I were to try to advise on classes.
Fair enough. Artemis Entreri is an Assassin from R.A.Salvatore's Drizzt Saga. Essentially, he would play the role of Drizzt's rival. You can go here for more info, but it's pretty indepth.
Edited By Big Meph on 07/19/06 01:35
Forgot to mention, I already know what he's old classes were (fighter 10/ranger 1/assassin 1/rogue 4), but seeing as I can't use 4 classes, I am turning to all of you.
Why not FTR/RGR/Assn? _________________ This signature will self-destruct in 5 seconds...
Didn't he only have a single assassin level?
That aside, I don't really care about official stats, they don't have to be any more correct anyhow. I had taken Fighter/Rogue. I don't see how on earth he can be a ranger. Fighter/Rogue assassin. I would get enough fighter to try and get dual-wield plus EWS in both weapons. assassin comes to mind for the rest of the levels, Rogue to qualify for assassin and some earlier roguishness than assassin can allow alone. Dual-wielding and double EWS is 11 feats just by that. Fighter8/Rogue4/Assassin8 pre-epic. Fighter6/assassin14 epic? Totalling fighter14/Rogue4/Assassin22.
Hm, pre-epic you could go with fighter8/Rogue2/assassin10 and still keep 4 attacks, or even better fighter6/rogue4/assassin10 if you can afford the feat. Totalling ideally fighter10/Rogue4/assassin26. Then you'd have a usable death attack too. Yeah, that's the split I'd do.
Another suggestion if you want Ranger is to go Ranger10/assassin10 pre epic, taking 4 fighter in Epic spending your three feats plus a general feat for EWF and EWS in both weapons. Ending Ranger10/fighter4/assassin24. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
I run the Pre-Epic Builders guild. Join and share your experience.
Well, I did say assassin 1... or were you talking to cin?
Quote: That aside, I don't really care about official stats, they don't have to be any more correct anyhow. I had taken Fighter/Rogue. I don't see how on earth he can be a ranger.
I wasn't entirely sure about that either. Maybe it was just meant to make him more of a parralel to Drizzt.
Quote: Fighter/Rogue assassin. I would get enough fighter to try and get dual-wield plus EWS in both weapons. assassin comes to mind for the rest of the levels, Rogue to qualify for assassin and some earlier roguishness than assassin can allow alone. Dual-wielding and double EWS is 11 feats just by that. Fighter8/Rogue4/Assassin8 pre-epic. Fighter6/assassin14 epic? Totalling fighter14/Rogue4/Assassin22.
Hm, pre-epic you could go with fighter8/Rogue2/assassin10 and still keep 4 attacks, or even better fighter6/rogue4/assassin10 if you can afford the feat. Totalling ideally fighter10/Rogue4/assassin26. Then you'd have a usable death attack too. Yeah, that's the split I'd do.
Another suggestion if you want Ranger is to go Ranger10/assassin10 pre epic, taking 4 fighter in Epic spending your three feats plus a general feat for EWF and EWS in both weapons. Ending Ranger10/fighter4/assassin24.
I didn't really want ranger, I just mentioned it because that was the official stats. To be honest, I really wanted to use assassin, and I gladly would of if it weren't for the spells . Rogue, was essentially a substitute.
Well, I did say assassin 1... or were you talking to cin?
No, i was talking to you, I just messed up the numbers of Rogue and Assassin in my head.
Quote: Posted 07/19/06 08:34:19 (GMT) -- Big Meph To be honest, I really wanted to use assassin, and I gladly would of if it weren't for the spells . Rogue, was essentially a substitute.
You can still use my fighter/Rogue/Assassin suggestion and just don't use the spells. But I agree that fighter/Rogue is essential.
Edit, fixed my quoting. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
I run the Pre-Epic Builders guild. Join and share your experience.
Edited By Grimnir77 on 07/20/06 05:26
Fighter8/Rogue13/Assn19.
Rogue bonus feats for Epic Dodge. 2 Assn bonus feats to raise Dex. 2 Fighter bonus feats for EWS/EWF. And 4 fighter levels pre-epic for BAB16, Ambi/TWF/WS.
Pre-epic will look like Rogue12/Ftr4/Assn4.
Starting Stats:
Str14 Int13 Wis8 Dex17 (insures Epic Dodge by Lvl27) Con14 Chr8 _________________ Got Hommlet? World of Greyhawk Action Server (with 1/2 price ales on Mondays!)
The stats I came up with were a little different then that.
STR16 DEX16 CON10 WIS8 INT14 CHA10
I didn't want CHA 10, but Artemis is supposed to be an okay looking guy... even if he is scary.
He can still be okay-looking with 8 CHA; looks isn't the only thing CHA represents. _________________ "With Europe liberated, the people of the world turned their attention to that old devil, the United States of America [...] We taught that monster of old the true meaning of freedom." Star Wreck
Quote: Posted 07/20/06 12:52:44 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ He can still be okay-looking with 8 CHA; looks isn't the only thing CHA represents.
I realise that, but CHA also represents the uh... "force" of his personality. I was going to put down his creepiness as many ranks in intimidate, not just being a little rough around the edges.
Quote: Posted 07/20/06 13:16:53 (GMT) -- Big Meph
Quote: Posted 07/20/06 12:52:44 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ He can still be okay-looking with 8 CHA; looks isn't the only thing CHA represents.
I realise that, but CHA also represents the uh... "force" of his personality. I was going to put down his creepiness as many ranks in intimidate, not just being a little rough around the edges.
Problem with stats is it is hard to get certian "feats" you need without a stat lvl. In my head he should have a alright cha score or a lot of skill points in intimidation, for the fact there are many people scared of him. But to build a workable build all points need to be in str and dex. I would say he needs epic dodge but to do that it you would never get a high enough ab to hit anything. Same thing with a Drizzt build.
Quote: Posted 07/21/06 00:14:10 (GMT) -- Grapeshot Problem with stats is it is hard to get certian "feats" you need without a stat lvl. In my head he should have a alright cha score or a lot of skill points in intimidation, for the fact there are many people scared of him. But to build a workable build all points need to be in str and dex. I would say he needs epic dodge but to do that it you would never get a high enough ab to hit anything. Same thing with a Drizzt build.
Well my build already has enough dex, str, and int to get most of the useful feats. I'm no beginner. I already designed a build for this some time ago (who managed to get epic dodge), but that was when I was still going to get WM, as opposed to assassin.
Unfortunately, that build only ended up with an STR of 18, which is why I want a different class then WM, to help free up some feats.
Edited By Big Meph on 07/21/06 01:09
Yea, losing the Wm would free up a lot of feats and stat points. Fighter/rogue/assasin would be the best combo. Plus, if you got WM in the longsword, Art's signature item is the life sucking dagger.
An Epic Weapon Master can master numerous weapons, however -- for example, Longsword & Dagger _________________ "With Europe liberated, the people of the world turned their attention to that old devil, the United States of America [...] We taught that monster of old the true meaning of freedom." Star Wreck
Which is exactly why I took 13 levels of WM. Thanks fin.
. Rogue, was essentially a substitute.
