Quick question: Is it possible to take Dragon form on the same level that you reach a 30 wis? If so, will it matter if it is from feats or from Stat increases?

I am working on a dragon build, and I am wondering if I can take Dragon form ont he same level or if I have to have 30 WIS before I can get Dragon Form... If so it means a 3 level wait, so thanks!
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-4SakN

The Moonshae Isles - Forgotten Realms
A Role Play, Low Magic world On the same level however great wis feats only come in effect after you level up, so it's only on the same level in case it's a normal stat increase.
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Star Wreck Aah ok thanks That answers my questions, and forces me to tweak a bit
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-4SakN

The Moonshae Isles - Forgotten Realms
A Role Play, Low Magic world Don't forget that Champion of Torm allows you to gain Greater Wisdom during Epic levels as a selectable bonus feat. Very true, but in this case this will be an evil druid
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The Moonshae Isles - Forgotten Realms
A Role Play, Low Magic world Evil Druids are fun too. I once made a very potent Elder Earth Elemental Assasin. Punched for 100+ damage. Would you mind posting the breakdown for your earth based assassin?
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-4SakN

The Moonshae Isles - Forgotten Realms
A Role Play, Low Magic world

Edited By 4SakN on 03/23/07 11:42

Click Here

The build is rather easy. Take Wisdom and Con as your major stats, get EDR3, Improved Sneak later in life, get Dr 20 early. SD could be replaced with Monk if you want AC bonus, but I think HIPS is better.

You could take Elder Air Elemental also since it has 30 Dex. Heh heh, your Earth Elemental assassin is pretty good, but since he's asking for dragons, try my assassin dragon Click here (check last post for final version) dragon is a stronger shift than elementals after all, and gets a much higher death attack and DC on it. I wonder, probably SD as you did is better than Monk in many cases.

Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 03/24/07 05:23

Has anyone ever done a Druid Monk Blackguard build? that's like making a barb/assassin/HS =P

the fastest way to Dragonshape has to be 23druid/6CoT/1HS. Great wis feats from druid bonus feat, 3 CoT bonus feats and bonus feat from HS.

Edited By Saints of Apocalypse on 05/10/07 10:01

Quote: Posted 05/10/07 09:59 (GMT) -- Saints of Apocalypse

the fastest way to Dragonshape has to be 23druid/6CoT/1HS. Great wis feats from druid bonus feat, 3 CoT bonus feats and bonus feat from HS.

That would be this build Click Here
Quote: Posted 05/10/07 00:08 (GMT) -- Deltutammatre

Has anyone ever done a Druid Monk Blackguard build?

I did once, but it wasn't as powerful as to post the build... it's a bit complicated, plagued with alignment changes, but you can get powerful Elder Elementals or Dragon Shape with some sneak damage, Divine Might and Divine Shield, which is pretty neat, however, taking Paladin instead of Blackguard will always be stronger at Divine feats, because of the the great CHA buffs Paladin gets, though alignment changes are also there. In general terms, I didn't post the build because it's very close to taking Cleric, and I already made one, just that Cleric is even better.