I got a whopper (big) problem and i dont know how to fix it.
MOderate magic world. sorcy recipie.
37 sorcy/2 Cot/1 pally.
1 to 20 i have worked out but after 20 i dunno enuff about online builds to have a flipping clue with 169 content.
Epic spells like ema (epic mage amour) and warding sure, but is auto still 3 AND great CHA 3 a worthy ending at 40 ?
Coz along with those 2 i got esf evocation and imp combat casting as well as epic spell penetrate.
Do i drop one CHA to gain another auto still level or ?? Coz im really in the dark here.
I need help from the real veterans _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
I'm not sure I get what's the problem, you say you don't know what to take in epics, but you never said you're having difficulties with the build.
I'd try to get Auto Still 3 much earlier than level 40, it's a big boost for playability, so leave the Great Charisma for the end. Taking Improved Combat Casting is alright, IMO it's fairly decent not recieving Attacks of Opportunity. There aren't THAT many choices anyway, you're already set with a class distribution, so don't fret, ultimately you round up excess feats with Great Charisma, and it's always good to have high DCs. The class distribution is more important, Sorcerer 37 / Champion of Torm 2 / Paladin 1 is a no-brainer, you can't go wrong with a heavy caster, levels alone make you strong, so I don't really see why you're so obsessed about not being an uber builder, the build you describe sounds fine to me.
Once you have a good class distribution, even the best builder can only improve it so much as a few numbers here or there, +2 DCs, +1 saves, taking the most useful feats (which aren't the "only" valuable feats) in the best order and such. If you're having problems with a 37 Sorcerer then you need help using it, not building it, and that comes mostly from tough experience, you don't really learn how to play at a forum. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 03/13/09 04:50
Looks good, SD, but it's tough to say for certain without knowing what your final attribute score in CHA will be (basically, don't end it on an odd number).
Yeah, Autostill 3 as soon as you can comfortably fit it in is good.
I'd consider dropping the two levels of CoT and grabbing one more SOR and a level of FTR. Gives you one extra SOR bonus feat, loses only +1 on all your saves, and you still get a bonus feat from the FTR level. As well, you don't have to focus in a weapon if you don't want to.
Anyway, it looks like a solid armored caster to me. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
1 Ranger level in epics would be more useful, could get a epic skill focus or epic spell focus through the bonus feat
Thax, thanks for coming mate, especially when i saw you on line and basically begged for help......LOL
Your right my new friend, im not having trouble playing it, but i am having trouble "mixing it up" like Cinn and the other guys here have typed, for me to learn "how to" better.
Dropping CoT (Cinn, I never thought about that angle in building)sounds like a viable option.
Heres the tricky part that makes me scratch my head in wonder ...The head DM of the medium world and I got talking about exhalted sorcy, while he was using his own char to teach new players the storyline of the PW.
He suggested a sorc/CoT/pally and once i asked if thats what "he" would use on "this world".....
The guy shut up and wouldnt say anything else.
Started building late last night my time, just to reach 20 and test this idea....while in DM mode, the guy looked over my character and gave me a --->[tell]No auto still after 20.
Im thinking to myself "like what ?" Auto still is kinda cool isnt it ?
Is this DM guy just being a cows backside (you know what i wanna type there instead) or what ?
My gut instinct tells me maybe the head DM has a few brain cells missing. What do YOU guys think of this ? _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
1 Ranger level in epics would be more useful, could get a epic skill focus or epic spell focus through the bonus feat
Ranger....hmmm dont ranger class recieve DW free on first level ? Theres a nice lvl 25+ morn.star with a shocking attack set on it.....for those up close monster trash that dont die under spellfire.
enhancement +6 2d10 divine 2d10,postive energy 2d10 sonic keen Massive Crits 2d10
Thats some freakish damage on a simple weapon but the m.star on a full built meelee would be insane, let alone a simple loving sorcy.
I have a lvl 20+ ring of +4 wisdom & +4 cha....but i dont think i'll be needing to worry much will I ? _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
I've no idea what the DM might have meant by that, perhaps auto still is disabled on that server (what?!)
And yes so long as you only wear cloth/light armor, Rangers get an ambidex/two-weapon fighting ability.
Although the usefulness of such a weapon would be limited to things that have exceedingly low AC, so it might be better off to dual wield weapons (or sword/shield) that add to your saves/skills/attributes
(quote)Posted 03/13/09 22:15 (GMT) -- Revenant Mattlov
I've no idea what the DM might have meant by that, perhaps auto still is disabled on that server (what?!)
I dont think auto still has ben disabled, but concerning building now, the guy avoids answers when I ask any questions.
Is it possible auto still is too good for the world and the idiot wont admit it ?
Im not a player that would exploit the advantage, but would help him rebuild the world to better its content.
(its an old ascention mod, that the head DM is refurbishing and bringing more in line with todays standards.)
Still, its a head scratcher. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Oh yeah, before i forget, im gonna toolset the build to 40 and see what happens, offline. It looks to be a high saves toon with a decent stopping power array.
Maybe thats where the CoT comes into play, the rediculous high save content.....
But despite high saves, a WF in a meelee weapon takes one of my spell cast's feats away. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
No Auto Still after 20? That seems to imply you can get it before 20, which you can't. It doesn't help anyone to be cryptic about server rules. Also, it's kind of a stupid thing to ban. Stick to the classics like Dev Crit and HiPS.
Edited By whirlin_merlin on 03/14/09 02:46
Quote: Posted 03/14/09 00:39 (GMT) -- SwordDog
Oh yeah, before i forget, im gonna toolset the build to 40 and see what happens, offline. It looks to be a high saves toon with a decent stopping power array.
Maybe thats where the CoT comes into play, the rediculous high save content.....
But despite high saves, a WF in a meelee weapon takes one of my spell cast's feats away.
Me thinks the dm is an ****** like you say! THe reason to use classes with others is to gain something from them. Since your sorc is a caster, the ONLY thing i can see is +1 universal saves from 2 COT lvls.
I would take Cinn's suggestion and go 38sorc/1pal/1 something else. You get that bonus feat for 38 sorc which is nice. I would go with Rogue (bard is alignment switch), for Tumble 40 to get +8 to AC (take it at 37 or later). It seems that it would give you much more than the cot.
The thing you really have to watch is that not all DM's know anything about building characters. Autostills are very good IF you are planning on wearing Full plate. The feats arent "godly" like dev crit is, unless you consider that you can cast any spell without a penalty (other than 4 feats - dev crit has 5), but i have never heard of it bein nerfed... if i were you, i wouldnt take anything that DM says as a truth. _________________
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Yeah, DMs don't really have to be good builders. If you're taking Auto-Still, forget about Ranger and dual-wield, that only works with light armor, and man, you want Autostill for the exact opposite: wearing Heavy Armor and Shield. If you weren't aiming for armor then drop autostill, it's not a requirement for a good caster, but you're right, autostill it's a good thing to have.
Well, I thought you were into that class distribution for a reason higher than "some dude I met told me, and he's a DM so I thought he was smart". I'd drop CoT too, my caster build is Sorcerer 37 / Blackguard 2 / Paladin 1, IF you can make the alignment change (take level 1 as Paladin and start killing people while leveling Sorcerer until you can get Blackguard, it's a fairly simple shift), because that build gets real godly saves, not what a couple levels of CoT can grant.
He probably doesn't answer you anymore because it can be annoying to have people asking how to build inside the game (in this case, you). I would never go and start lecturing noobs on how to build while I'm playing, that's what the forum is for. Or he can be a jerk, who knows. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Thax, i see your point about "teaching noobs".
Maybe I can be annoying but I dont think so. The general conversation started in a group of six players and the DM.......
The DM asked us players to form one good warparty and take out the trash in one certain area that he was refurbishing in bits and peices....to see where the older basic PW was unbalanced.
During the next hour of massive battles, the conversation turned to builds that would better survive this "final assault before the end game boss" set of maps.
My mention of the exhalted sorcy from most of the players got a "thumbs up" for thinking about it. The DM did nothing but give a indignant snort and say it was an old, well worn POS.
I took offense to that and told DM to prove it.
His reply was "exhalted works fine if used by seasoned players who know what theyre doing,but if your not a veteran youll suck and die. I have an idea that is better then exhalted."
So, being a pigheaded stubborn old goat, i again said "prove it".
As for auto still selection, id rather take it then not, just in case the idiot DM ever makes better plate amour then the over lvl 30 "epic" robes avalible currently.
Im still gonna toolset a clone of the build and post stats here so you guys can see what is supposed to be "so good". _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
It's very hard to suck at casting powerful spells IMO, you just need to know which spells work and you're ought to find out with experience. Sounds to me like that DM got owned when he was using an Exhalted Sorcerer, and well, taking 2 levels of CoT is certainly not better than a level of Monk. However, with that kind of dialogue, I'm pretty certain he dislikes you now. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Yeah Thax the guy maybe dont like me anymore for how blunt I can be, but in my view nobody should say "this sucks" without proving it or offering me the proof to view.
Much like kennedy was shot by the mafia/rogue government agents...I wont believe it until its proved. You can see where Im coming from right ?
As to the possibility of his using an exhalted and being owned by monster scum.....Its definatly a very strong possibility.
No semi-new or veteran player would react so badly and take a "kaka" over a decent, well tested pvp & pvm build. Im thinking he sucks with exhalted.
First few times I used an exhalted..I sucked badly using her, before getting used to the "feel" of the build.
Now, with a fair amount of time here and there playing the exhalted, i feel confidant enuff with it to maybe recommend "her" to other players. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
1 Ranger level in epics would be more useful, could get a epic skill focus or epic spell focus through the bonus feat
Thax, thanks for coming mate, especially when i saw you on line and basically begged for help......LOL