I am working on my first submission to the team here. There are 3 other builds with the similar levels and class mixtures....
But of the 3 other builds, mine is the only char build to focus on a blunt/crushing weapon.
(Question)Is my build i wanna put up for submission considered a unique, coz of its weapon focus and style?
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I have found writing my notes on paper easy as heck but typing it makes my fingers hurt, coz im a SLOW typist.
I know i can microsoft word all my notes and just cut and paste to the net,saving me minutes of pain....
BUT....(question)If im not quite sure what parts of the submission form are supposed to be,am i allowed to state that im not sure and didnt wanna put a figure down incase i stuff it up ?
(Progress Statement-->)I have all the skill point tree and numbers transfered to microsoft word,saves, unarmed attack bonus, base attack score,HIPS and a few other of the fiddly little peices.
(question) What is considerd mundane amour and what is considerd best ? Im thinking for mundane would be basic leathers or hide and the best would be like AC+6 full plate.
Because if plate is best, should i include spell fails and penalties of wearing on all 3 variants of plate ? EG...Light, medium and heavy ?
I am so nervous, im about to puke in my coffee just asking about this, let alone actually posting the completed work....YIKES!
Come here and help me out guys and girls, please....! _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Quote: Posted 03/19/09 00:42 (GMT) -- SwordDog
I am working on my first submission to the team here. There are 3 other builds with the similar levels and class mixtures....
But of the 3 other builds, mine is the only char build to focus on a blunt/crushing weapon.
(Question)Is my build i wanna put up for submission considered a unique, coz of its weapon focus and style?
Typically, the choice of weapon isnt a big deal. What i mean is that, just cuz you take a mace and the build suggests scrimy, and the rest of the build is identical, this means you dont have a unique build. It just means you have STYLE!
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I have found writing my notes on paper easy as heck but typing it makes my fingers hurt, coz im a SLOW typist.
I know i can microsoft word all my notes and just cut and paste to the net,saving me minutes of pain....
BUT....(question)If im not quite sure what parts of the submission form are supposed to be,am i allowed to state that im not sure and didnt wanna put a figure down incase i stuff it up ?
(Progress Statement-->)I have all the skill point tree and numbers transfered to microsoft word,saves, unarmed attack bonus, base attack score,HIPS and a few other of the fiddly little peices.
When you put up the schedules, you really only need to use the AB(bab) with the weapon you took in focus, unarmed isnt necessary. Basically, you really need AC (mundane), BAB/ab (weapon mundane), HPs, Saves. The rest, like buffed ab or ac, etc is realy dependant on the build.
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(question) What is considerd mundane amour and what is considerd best ? Im thinking for mundane would be basic leathers or hide and the best would be like AC+6 full plate.
Because if plate is best, should i include spell fails and penalties of wearing on all 3 variants of plate ? EG...Light, medium and heavy ?
I am so nervous, im about to puke in my coffee just asking about this, let alone actually posting the completed work....YIKES!
Come here and help me out guys and girls, please....!
NO need to be nervous! We all were when we started to post our builds. Its natural.
Mundane is ANY item that isnt enchanted. Full plate is mundane, +1 full plate isnt. When we post builds here, to keep a standard, we use mundane always. We made this a rule a long time ago in order to see the "purity" of the build. Take a look at this Click Here While he is a good friend of mine, it hides alot by posting with +12 gear and +10 weapons! In stryder's defence, it is a SERVER post, so it is quite common to come by. Here, in order to keep things simple, we only use mundane. If that makes any sense.. lol
The maximum items is a bit more tricky. I have played personally, with +10 gear in all slots (weapon, shield, armor, etc). I know others have used +20. I have also been on worlds with +7 is GODLY!. This is another reason why we dont post with enchantments.
I hope this helps. Now, POST YOUR BUILD!! lol We are waiting with baited breath! _________________
Nervous? nervous!? WHY!? What's the worse thing that can happen? the first build I posted, naive as I thought it was so awesome just because I played one or two modules with it and it owned, first reply Grim said it was crap, my AC was ridiculously low, I didn't notice, but who cares? I actually got the best suggestions on my early builds, when I made lots of more mistakes and used to make less considerations. There is no reason to be nervous, it's good to get criticism, at least that's how I see it.
Taking a different weapon is no build difference because you only switch one feat that was already taken. Stats, feats, classes and even skills are what make building differences. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 03/19/09 05:23
Okay Thax, thanks mate.
I havent got a unique, but just another version of a toon already there....hmm maybe i shouldnt post it up since its not original.
Your not taking a dump on my wanting to post a build, i KNOW this and so should everyone else who reads your comment.....You've just pointed out a few things i didnt or wouldnt see clearly before.
Maybe i head back to the drawing board huh Thax and see what my sick, little twisted mind can come up with ?
Its a shame thou, i had a cool story to go with the submission.Oh...I know,theres my other build idea stewing in my mind i could try...... _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
You could still post it on this forum or in the build requests, no harm done. We're just trying to avoid duplicates in the index. _________________ Ghaash agh akūl - Nazgūl skoiz Mirdautas vras! Karn ghaamp agh nūt Shaut Manwe quiinubat gukh
Summoning - Mirdautas Vras
Heres the thing.....The 3 other similar builds are
FinneousJP:mighty and terrorfying gnomish barb **Scimitar focus "slashing recipie"
I may have been led into believing this was a unique by the person throwing ideas at me,to get me thinking and claiming he didnt want "street cred" or partial Kudos for it....
But my version is a blunt weapon focus to deal direct damage to high slash immunes......which 2 of these builds would get frustrated with coz it would take about 6 minutes with a slashing meelee weapon.....
.......to break the high slashing immunity and actually kill the mini boss in question.The jerk mini boss in target for this design is 75% slash immune, 20% bludge immune but zero immune to peirce.
Oh yeah not to forget ,like 75% immune to magic damage too and has hell high regeneration.Some simple weapons have peirce on their bludge factor. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Ah, well, another thing. When we criticize builds, we only see the build design, so we can't make suggestions given a specific server, builds get compared and improved numerically, plain generalities: how they would work alone or in a party if they play in an empty room, equipped with non-magical trash against all types of enemies. So when it comes down to making a build targeted for a specific boss or PW, it's very hard to give good suggestions, the environment makes can bias your build design.
Say, you're talking about some enemy with such high slashing immunity, heck I've never fought one of those, or if I did I was using blunt and never knew, since I use blunt weapons most often. Sometimes I get owned for not paying attention to this stuff, anyway, I always try to have more than one damage type (blunt and spells mostly). Given that, when I criticize a build, I never think "what would happen if this build were to fight a 70% slash immune enemy", that thought is never in my mind. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
It sounds to me that Sword Dog is already an epic builder! It is so impressive sword, that you consider stuff like damage type! Im like Thax! I build on a server for what weapons I have available to me, and what i like at the time. It has been rare that i went before hand to consider such things! Bravo!
Maybe, and it may be difficult to find, but you should look at the PRC rules. THey have a prc class, Man at Arms, where you require wepon foci in 3 or 4 different weapons to qualify. That would allow you to have all 3 damage types specialized in! Oh well.
Thax and avado, Im an old fashioned hack n slasher from a long ways back.The lotr of the rings servers gave me the "kill fix" i was always longing for.
And since the lotr servers 4 to 8 had always been high magic, high exp, high kill rate worlds, I based and tried many ideas on it.
Why you may ask ? If a build preforms well on a high end world, it would likely go near pure pawnage on a medium or low end worlds.
With or without magical items.
As to a specific monster style monster killer, people can generally level to forty realistically in about 4 hours on a high end magic world.
But in a few server's, the mini bosses/main bosses and elite troops have been found to carry immunities and huge regeneration......besides the effects of hitting like a truck against a wall of candy floss.
The candy floss (player) gets killed in one hit, unless they have access to the "elite" immunity items and end up "amoured" the same as the scum theyre trying to kill.
One evil wizard in mind is the truck and ive been many times the candy floss squished under his assault.
Until i realised he wasnt that heavily bludge immune and basically zero immune to peirce damage. An AA could blast off maybe 3 or 4 slay evil arrows and massacre the wizard.
But meelee toons get it abit tougher.
As to what weapon im using, i'll tell you guys later. Its not hacked or whatever....but its "customised" and lets leave it there.
(Edit)Fancy items or not, 600 life and decent saves/AC naturally is what im wanting.A build that can "take the pain" _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Edited By SwordDog on 03/20/09 00:25
Quote: by SwordDog Why you may ask ? If a build preforms well on a high end world, it would likely go near pure pawnage on a medium or low end worlds.
With or without magical items.
Actually... no. The type of build that owns on low to mid magical servers are usually those that have plenty of self-buffs and rely less on weapons, but many of those buffs can go to waste on high magical environments, so you could be able to beat a Cleric if you're on a +15 server, but the same build would trash you on +3. For example, I'm a big time Druid player, and I've destroyed hell in some low magical servers, both PvP and PvM, bring your best build, a dragon's AC is nearly untouchable in a +2 environment, but I would get a very hard time in a +10 or higher environment, where my AB starts to suck, as weapons are ompletely useless to my shifting style. Not that I'm done on a high environemnt, but it would lessen power in comparison. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
OOOH Thax, thanks for this comment.
You've taught me something I was getting wrong. Cool, old dogs like me CAN learn new tricks.
Hmmm, if I have based the build on a high end world, its ONLY good for high end, right ?
BUT...Thax old man, could the recipie be tweaked down to suit a lesser based world? The basic health and saves on this thing are pretty good (i think).....
I just hate to think that I would submit something that CANT be tweaked down, or slightly altered to suit the players taste.
Teach me more Thax, im am willing to learn from one of the best _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Generally if it has self buffs or UMD for scroll buffs it's suited for a low-mid end server.
Classes with no access to self buffing generally tend to be either party orientated for external buffs or suited for a high end world.
If you want examples; Clerics, Druids, Sorcerers, Bards and Wizards in general are low-mid magic gods, Builds with adequate levels in one of those classes are great for +5/+6 worlds so not too much to worry about when using them on high/low magic settings.
Also as for high magic servers strength builds can generally be transferred to low magic servers without too much trouble or too many changes.
Dex builds however aren't as easy since they'll lose out on the massive +dmgs on weapons that are usually found on high magic servers so you're left with a high AC low dmg build.
Either way though, it should be possible to tweak any high magic build down to work for whatever setting you want..It might just be a different build when you're done
BTW If you have Microsoft Office, Take a look at this Click Here Less typing and a simple copy/paste to put it up here
Edited By Revenant Mattlov on 03/21/09 00:56
Quote: by SwordDog Hmmm, if I have based the build on a high end world, its ONLY good for high end, right ?
That wasn't what I said either, he could be good on all, but if a build is really well made for high magic, there's no reason for him to own more on low magic, where there are builds designed for low magic which should be more advantageous.
You won't learn that much until you post the build! and learn from everybody. Any build can be tweaked, take avado here, he can tweak any build into being a str based cleric, I've got no idea how he does that. You're overy obsessive about your build needing to be so mighty to be worth posting. There is no build that can win in every situation, against every enemy and in every environment, so it's cool even if you're not almighty. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Thax, Im NOT saying you told me a certain thing.
What I had tried to say, with my seemingly awkward new zealand english.....
Was that YOU pointed out a flaw in MY THINKING.
YOU Thax,have made sure I think correctly, and I have LEARNED from you....which is my desire.
If I could reach thru the net, and open a good bottle of whiskey.....Id invite you for a few stiff drinks, as a mark of respect.
HELL, all you guys have helped me learn, and I would open a bottle of spirits with all of yall.
Im currently spending a few days testing variants of a focused weapon,including a "naked" weapon,low magical, medium magical and high magical .
You could say im abit anal about my weapons but I wanna put foward a decent submission. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
I've been following this thread, and I am really curious to see this shy build.
So, Dog, please post it. Let us see what you are so afraid of.
Then we'll all hide in the dark, jump out when you lay down and scare the jucies out of your body.
Then you'll never be afraid of posting another build again. At least it worked with me. _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
Okay guys, with Grim also adding to the calls of submission..i'll do my best to submit in the next day or two.
Its not easy being
A)nervous B)A dad to 2 boys C)running less then 220 ram D)Sucky at using word programs and stuff.
I gotta get used to doing mathmatical kaka too for weapon damages. keen means intstead of 3 times damage, its 4...so say maybe 80 max.
Does a massive critical on a weapon compute to pure physical damge?
example--> a 2d10 sonic with mass crit 2d10
would be like *dice roll and 2-20 pure physical pain?
Im not quite sure how this works.I use the stuff, but now i wanna learn how it works. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Keen doesn't increase the multiplier it just decreases the threat range (19-20 = 17-20, 18-20 = 15-20 etc)
I'm fairly certain Massive Crits are physical. As a note, it does stack with overwhelming critical but it overrides Barbarians Thundering Rage feat.
Sord, you really dont need all that math kaka!! For the build, it is really only necessary to put ab with threat range, ac, hp. The rest is just, what Thax and i have hinted at, fluff. People try to hide more with alot of numbers and stuff to make it sound more impressive. In reality, dont get all torn up about the "extras". Oh, saves are important toO!!
You'll be fine! From all you have written so far on this build, you appear to have put a million times more effort and heart into the build than most of us. When you care that much, how can it be bad?
Edited By avado on 03/22/09 03:21
Quote: Posted 03/22/09 03:20 (GMT) -- avado
You'll be fine! From all you have written so far on this build, you appear to have put a million times more effort and heart into the build than most of us. When you care that much, how can it be bad?
Click Here That's how it can be bad
BUUUUUURRRRPPP! Damn,that vanilla coca cola makes me burpy.Maybe I shoulda have tweaked it with vodka ?
Oh sorry, I dropped my coffee and made a mess over in the epic builds page alittle while ago.
I better clean it up before Kail Pendragon or Grimnir see it....and smack my bottom.
What ?? Didnt you see it ?? Go look, quick ! _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
