21] Wizard 4, Great STR I 22] Fighter 1, Epic Weapon Focus 23] Fighter 2, Epic Prowess 24] Wizard 5, Great INT I, Auto-Still I, +1 INT 25] Wizard 6, 26] Wizard 7, 27] Wizard 8, Auto-Still II 28] Wizard 9, +1 INT 29] Wizard 10, Great INT II 30] Wizard 11, Auto-Quicken I 31] Wizard 12, 32] Wizard 13, +1 STR 33] Wizard 14, Auto-Quicken II 34] Wizard 15, Great INT III 35] Wizard 16, 36] Wizard 17, +1 STR Auto-Quicken III 37] Wizard 18, 38] Wizard 19, 39] Wizard 20, Armor Skin, Auto-Still III 40] Fighter 3, + 1 STR
You take cleric and want red mage??? LOL jk
Quicken spell with haste (from wiz) is a waste of 4 feats. The still is ok.
THis is the best example of red mage i have seen Click Here
The important thing with this type of build is, it is a concept. Playing this is not to much fun UNLESS you are born at 40. Reason? Because as you move into epic lvls you are again stuck with low level wizard spells. AND you are not that much of a cleric, so you are sort of stuck until 40.
Follow Tengudor. It has much more than you have in yours. _________________
Quote: Posted 06/23/04 21:16 (GMT) -- Anuis
Suolucider, Blitz 04, avado, Quisition, Boourns, ... welcome to the guild! Anuis
Makes me feel OOLD!!
Edited By avado on 05/26/09 01:26
I've toyed with the red mage style, here's mine. It obviously doesn't feel like a red mage until late epics but it works.
What you can improve is to ditch Automatic quicken spell, it's completely useless once you have Haste, and you get Haste as a Wizard spell. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
You just can't make a Red wizard without the PRC. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Not a Red Wizard, a Red Mage. Vastly different things. _________________ People who say that I am arrogant are mistaken. Arrogance is a flaw; I am flawless.
Quote: Posted 05/26/09 10:50 (GMT) -- Gammata
Not a Red Wizard, a Red Mage. Vastly different things.
Final Fantasy stuff? Nothing I'm familiar with.
Well, if it's anything similar to the build posted here and the ones linked, it looks like it needs the PRC anyhow and its Mystic Theurge PrC. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Kail, what many fail to see is that the Red mage from FF isnt really a wizard at all, but an even better incarnation... THE CLERIC!! Throw in a longsword and away you go! The whole idea of wiz/cleric or sorc/cleric is one i have toyed with for YEARS. Back in my PRC days i did the teng build as cleric/wiz/eldrict knight. PRC is so much better to get red mages, not cuz of rwot, but clerics gain access to ALL epic spells they can qual for (ward, ema, storm mantle, etc).
Agin, the only issue i have with this style is the way you have to make it. Going to epic, you really should be epic! Getting 4hp per lvl isnt! Getting lv 2 or 3 or 4 isnt. Having to wait until lv 36 to gain epic spells, isnt epic. In my humble opinion, while this is a GREAT idea on paper, translating it in a 1-40 environment isnt what i call fun. But what do i know. I only spent 2.5 years trying to perfect this concept. I even attempted to mix cleric and wiz levels! THat now means you are even wimpier going into epic! LOL
It can be done, but in the end, you really need Mystic Theurge to do it correctly. That PRC class is insane! You would have lv 36 caster lvl in arcane and divine, and you could get Dev crit vs dev crit with 17 div and 23 arcane caster lvl!!
I dont mean to drown your hopes! I am routing for you to come up with a "playable" red mage, but alas, in vanilla nwn, i cant see it happening _________________
Quote: Posted 06/23/04 21:16 (GMT) -- Anuis
Suolucider, Blitz 04, avado, Quisition, Boourns, ... welcome to the guild! Anuis
Makes me feel OOLD!!
It's not a necessity to use the PrC. A red mage is supposed to be able to cast both healing and offensive spells as well as stand ground in melee, supposedly a merge between a white mage and a black mage spellsword-type. In Neverwinter Nights, a pure Cleric can actually do that, he's got healing spells, buffs, and offensive spells, even instant death spells such as Implosion, which would be defined as a black mage spell per se. Well, just taking Cleric is kinda cheap, so an all-range spellcaster such as a red mage would make sense being a caster that can use both divine and arcane spells, the adaptation works in that sense, divine spells are the white spells and arcane spells are the black spells.
Also, a red mage is supposed to be worse than a white mage when it comes to healing, worse than a black mage when it comes to spellpower and worse than a fighter when it comes to damage dealing, or else it would be overpowered and it would make no sense to have all four classes, since Mystic Theurge breaks that balance, it's also cheap. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Well, of course not, but the PRC makes it something much more powerful.
Quote: A red mage is supposed to be able to cast both healing and offensive spells as well as stand ground in melee, supposedly a merge between a white mage and a black mage spellsword-type. In Neverwinter Nights, a pure Cleric can actually do that, he's got healing spells, buffs, and offensive spells, even instant death spells such as Implosion, which would be defined as a black mage spell per se. Well, just taking Cleric is kinda cheap, so an all-range spellcaster such as a red mage would make sense being a caster that can use both divine and arcane spells, the adaptation works in that sense, divine spells are the white spells and arcane spells are the black spells.
Also, a red mage is supposed to be worse than a white mage when it comes to healing, worse than a black mage when it comes to spellpower and worse than a fighter when it comes to damage dealing, or else it would be overpowered and it would make no sense to have all four classes, since Mystic Theurge breaks that balance, it's also cheap.
The closer thing to it still seems a cleric, maybe an intentionally gimped one so it ain't too uber _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
The closer thing to it still seems a cleric, maybe an intentionally gimped one so it ain't too uber
a gimped cleric? isnt that a druid?? lol jk thax! That us what is made above, a lv 17 cleric! in the right hands though, iy coulld still be uber... damn clerics!!! _________________
Quote: Posted 06/23/04 21:16 (GMT) -- Anuis
Suolucider, Blitz 04, avado, Quisition, Boourns, ... welcome to the guild! Anuis
The closer thing to it still seems a cleric, maybe an intentionally gimped one so it ain't too uber
a gimped cleric? isnt that a druid?? lol jk thax! That us what is made above, a lv 17 cleric! in the right hands though, iy coulld still be uber... damn clerics!!!
I meant something like lvl 35+ cleric with a lacking focus like going halfway between a caster and a battle cleric stats wise, no sf feats, more Cha pumping than usual, a dex higher than 8, etc. I know it won't really be enough, but at least there will be some gimping. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
I didnt say it was necessary. It is just what i was using after 2 years of looking at this concept. PRC does coe the absolute closest though.
Quote: Well, just taking Cleric is kinda cheap... since Mystic Theurge breaks that balance, it's also cheap.
WHAT!! Taking pure cleric is WHAT! LOL In all honesty, doing a cleric20/sorc10/rdd10 seems to fit the best. You get all the goodness of clerics. SOME arcane power, like thax says. AND you get rdd insanity. Of course, i seemed to ALWAYS wear pure red full plate with my power clerics on the mountain, so maybe ANY derivative of cleric would make a red mage.
What is truly terrifying is that Thax, Kail AND avado all agree on something! (actually, it isnt too terrifying as we have always seemed to agree on everything... most of the time) _________________
Quote: Posted 06/23/04 21:16 (GMT) -- Anuis
Suolucider, Blitz 04, avado, Quisition, Boourns, ... welcome to the guild! Anuis
Makes me feel OOLD!!
Actually a Bard could be a good pseudo red mage; reduced arcane casting, some healing, moderate AB, support powers. Built properly it would fit the bill. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Yeah well, all in all, there's no real reson to try to make a "red mage" in Neverwinter Nights, the mechanics are just too different, and NWN is better _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Red mage ?
Umm Either wizard or cleric to lvl 30 and rdd 10. Ive got one of each and the rdd definatly makes it look red enough with the wings and fire immunities.
Wizard/Cleric 29, pale master 1, rdd 10.
Wizard/Cleric 25, bard 5 (curse song), rdd 10.
Wizard/Cleric 38,PM 1,Assassin 1. _________________ Surviving 3 cats, 2 kids and a wife deserves some serious game time, dont cha think ?
Hey sword! Its been awhile.
The "red mage" has nothing to do with color of the mage! It is from the Final Fanatsy series. THe red mage is a caster that ISNT as powerful as a Black mage (a pure wizard or sorc) and can heal, but not as well as a White mage. There is no absolute in nwn. Many of us have tried to do a cleric/wizard or cleric/sorc split to have BOTH div and arcane spells at lv 9.
The inherant problem becomes spell DC and spell resistance. How can you get enough levels in each to make that worthwhile, and, how can your buffs last long enough without being dispellable by a meer apprentice caster? In the end, after many many many many hours of thought and trials, you cannot do both, and have a "good" character. _________________
Quote: Posted 06/23/04 21:16 (GMT) -- Anuis
Suolucider, Blitz 04, avado, Quisition, Boourns, ... welcome to the guild! Anuis
Makes me feel OOLD!!
Quote: Posted 06/22/09 22:55 (GMT) -- SwordDog
Wizard/Cleric 29, pale master 1, rdd 10.
That's not a legal combo, though. _________________ Dragonlance ROH is back, better than before! and I spend a little time here WoG
Quote: Posted 06/23/09 05:38 (GMT) -- Grimnir77
Quote: Posted 06/22/09 22:55 (GMT) -- SwordDog
Wizard/Cleric 29, pale master 1, rdd 10.
That's not a legal combo, though.
Dude, i really dont like that you had to point that out! If he wants to believe that cleric/pm/rdd is doable, DONT discourage him! IF he WERE to figure it out, i would reload nwn IMMEDIATELY! I truly dont understand why bioware, in all its wisdom, decided to NOT allow cleric access directly to PM and rdd. I mean, it is, after all, the worst class in the game. BAD skill set. NO bonus feats. WORST feat in game with Turn. Probably the worst spell set of pure casting classes. And dont even get me started on how crappy the spells are! I mean, no massive damage spells! No Shields! No insta-death spells like Wail or Weird! *sigh
*edit (LOL isnt it amazing when you look at a something with a different mind, how you CAN make an argument for or against it! )
k, i am truly sorry about that rant. Of course its full of *(it. I just really wanted to make a cleric/pm10/rdd10 before i retired. Oh wel..... _________________
Quote: Posted 06/23/04 21:16 (GMT) -- Anuis
Suolucider, Blitz 04, avado, Quisition, Boourns, ... welcome to the guild! Anuis
Makes me feel OOLD!!
Edited By avado on 06/24/09 04:15
To top your ranting avado, wizard can't go RDD either.... So none of those two combo's are legal. _________________ Dragonlance ROH is back, better than before! and I spend a little time here WoG It's not the first time avado writes illegal builds when making suggestions about overpowered stuff. This time however, it was not an uber build request, so there was no reason to go that far man. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
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