I wanna know what the highest possible DC is for a monks stunning fist.
I know you can get stunning fist without being a monk but I like that monk gives the feats and stun fist for free. Plus you get 1 stun fist per day per lvl, can't really beat that.
Well, the DC is 10 + 0.5*level + WIS modifier + 20 with ISF X, so a level 40 with 50 WIS (I think that's the max, you start with 18, add 10, add Great Wisdom X and +12 capped bonus) would get 70, however, I want to see how bad your AB is. It's also impossible to get ISF X and Great Wisdom X at the same time, those are too many feats, so the max is below 70.
This is my best Stunning Fist build, the high DC version (which is actually weaker than the low DC version) gets a buffed DC of 61, which should suffice your needs. If you change Dragon Shape for Improved Stunning Fist IX and max WIS with items this build gets 65 but a much lower AB. Given my build already exploits CoT's bonus feats, I don't think there's space to increase it any further than 65. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 08/13/09 02:42
sweet build, however the module I play doesnt transfer any gear over for shapes.
I was told that its possible to get 52 AB and 65 stun DC on a stunner. I can't see it happening
Quote: Posted 08/13/09 15:36 (GMT) -- Cainsdefeat
sweet build, however the module I play doesnt transfer any gear over for shapes.
I was told that its possible to get 52 AB and 65 stun DC on a stunner. I can't see it happening
Dragon Shape. AB will be there, WIS capped at 50 (Owl's Insight) plus some ISF should suffice. Maybe WIS won't cap at 50 but something less because of high dex requirements to qualify for ISF. Again, considering the high Dex requirement I'd go for elf/halfling.
EDIT: basically Thax's build. I see it falls slightly short of the 65 DC mark, AB is there though (counting buffs). This can be corrected by starting with 19 DEX at the cost of CHA and INT and recovering a feat slot for another ISF. There's the issue with not having enough Druid lvls though. Dropping 2 Monk lvls means 2 less SFs/day, -1 AC, -10% speed and no IKD (KD can be taken instead of one preepic feat) but will make the build 1.69 legal. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 08/13/09 16:20
shapes do not transfer gear, therefor I would be KD'd, Dev, imploded, etc etc.
Here what I have been trying to do.
30 stun fist a day (minimum 27 monk lvls with extra stunning fist feat)
52 AB 65 stun fist AB
If I did a dragon build, it would be 25 Monk 5 druid 10 shifter instead of using 18 druid levels.
Quote: Posted 08/13/09 17:42 (GMT) -- Cainsdefeat
shapes do not transfer gear, therefor I would be KD'd, Dev, imploded, etc etc.
Dragons are knockdown immune. You should have 32 or so base fort, Endurance could raise that to 34, spellcraft could mean 43 fort versus spells.
Dev Crit...without knowing the magic level, hard to tell whether you should be getting hit. You should have (minimum)...
41 from dragon 16 from wisdom 5 from barskin 8 from tumble 2 from armor skin
So 72 AC minimum. Potentially 1 AC more from monk levels, potentially 3-4 AC from more wisdom, potentially Shield of Faith or Shield buffs. Add on expertise and/or imp expertise and...yeah.
Quote: If I did a dragon build, it would be 25 Monk 5 druid 10 shifter instead of using 18 druid levels.
Using this build would add 5 AC to that 72 number due to 20 monk levels (though barkskin would not give the full 5 AC, only 3, so a net gain of 3 AC).
Are you sure *no* gear tranfers? Normally only helmet/armor/shield merge, but your server modified it so that *none* would go through? Any other notable modifications to spells/feats?
there is a lot of changes on this server.
Its one of the most popular pvp servers still up and running. Heart of Winter.
the builder of this module did make the changes to nerf druid/shifter shapes. Why? I dunno., I guess until she figures out a balance for them. Some shapes can be very lame in pvp
Dragons are usually overpowered in low magical environments, not sure if it's the case. Druids with Dragon Shape are NOT immune to Knockdown, only scripted dragons.
Ah yes, I forgot my build was made prior to version 1.69, so he needs more Druid levels now. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Druids with Dragon Shape are NOT immune to Knockdown, only scripted dragons.
Oops.
Druids aren't given actual immunity to knockdown, but they can't be KDed by any PC race because of the size difference. PCs are small or medium and dragons are huge.
Yeah well, I've been knocked down in Dragon Shape, that's all I need to know, IKD might do the trick, or get another shifter to knock you down. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Yeah well, I've been knocked down in Dragon Shape, that's all I need to know, IKD might do the trick
Only if the attacker is at least large size. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
On the server merlin and I play on, there are a bunch of damned weaponmasters running around that can knockdown a dragon. That, however, isn't the point of the post. He wants a monk build with high stun DC and a high AB.
I've never seen a monk build, that didn't have dragonshape from druid, that had anything resembling a good AB unless monk was put in as an afterthought for tumble dumps, extra AC, etc. For the amount of monk you want for your build, you won't be having that high of an AB unless you use zen archery and have a lot of magical help. This will not help you, though, since you are using fists, not a bow. Try mixing in SD so you can HiPS and thus not need as high of an AB because you catch people flatfooted.
Yeah well, I've been knocked down in Dragon Shape, that's all I need to know, IKD might do the trick
Only if the attacker is at least large size.
I have to correct myself, only if the attacker is at least medium size. IKD will make him count as large size which is one size below huge and hence KD can be attempted. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 08/17/09 02:18
If one is worried about not being able to take advantage of items while focusing on AB and Stunning Fist, I do remember a build by Cinnabar Din or the Dwarflord (Rogue/Fighter/SD) that had a very nice SF DC, Epic Dodge, HipS, UMD, Set Traps, the works. It was one nasty little knee-bitter, it was. Maybe someone with better forum skills could post the OP a link? _________________ It's fear of god that brought us to that state. How fortunate the man with none.
