This is the original build (and much better than mine) but on my PW, they do not allow Yuan-Ti.
Rakshasa are permitted and I would have preferred this race very much because of natural armour bonus, damage reduction and spell resistance.
In addition, the CHA bonus is very useful for turning and if you choose a Domain like War (special ability lasts longer).
With a Rakshasa one could increase INT, spend the ability points on Lore & Spellcraft and get Epic Spells, but you need a character story if you play on a PW and how can one explain a lawful-good Rakshasa?
So this is a mere compromise.

Aasimar
Lawful Good

STR 14
DEX 14
CON 14
INT 10
WIS 18
CHA 10

1 Monk, Dodge
2 Monk
3 Monk, Intuitive Attack
4 Monk
5 Monk
6 Monk, Power Attack
7 Monk
8 Monk
9 Monk, Great Cleave
10 Cleric
11 Cleric
12 Cleric, Combat Casting
13 Cleric
14 Cleric
15 Sacred Fist, Weapon Focus: unarmed
16 Sacred Fist
17 Sacred Fist
18 Sacred Fist, Improved Critical: unarmed
19 Sacred Fist
20 Sacred Fist
21 Sacred Fist, Epic Weapon Focus: unarmed
22 Sacred Fist
23 Sacred Fist
24 Sacred Fist, Great Wisdom 1
25 Sacred Fist
26 Sacred Fist
27 Sacred Fist, Great Wisdom 2
28 Sacred Fist, Great Wisdom 3
29 Sacred Fist
30 Sacred Fist, Great Wisdom 4
31 Sacred Fist
32 Sacred Fist, Great Wisdom 5
33 Sacred Fist, Great Wisdom 6
34 Sacred Fist
35 Sacred Fist
36 Sacred Fist, Great Wisdom 7+8
37 Sacred Fist
38 Sacred Fist
39 Sacred Fist, Great Wisdom 9
40 Sacred Fist, Great Wisdom 10

STR 14
DEX 14
CON 14
INT 10
WIS 38
CHA 10

AC naked, unbuffed: 41
AC naked buffed: 50

AC clothed, unbuffed: 54
AC clothed, buffed: 59

AB unbuffed: 39/36/33/30/27
AB buffed: 50/47/44/41/38

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griphook ...Added class levels in title

Edited By griphook on 08/28/05 22:31

Well, I'm glad to see my build inspired you to create a version to fit your needs. Just a few comments:

First of all, going Monk(9)/Cleric(5)/Sacred Fist(6) pre-epic is not a good idea. You are hurting your BAB quite a bit by doing that. In general, when multiclassing classes which get 3 BAB every 4 levels, like monk and cleric, it's a good idea to stick to multiples of 4 levels of those classes as much as possible. That's because the level after a multiple of 4 always gives you 0 BAB. In this case, you took 1 level beyond the multiple for both classes, which is the worst thing you can do for your BAB. Monk(9)/Cleric(5)/Sacred Fist(6) gives you a BAB at level 20 of 15, and a final BAB of 25 at level 40. If instead you went Monk(6)/Cleric(4)/Sacred Fist(10) pre-epic, at level 20 you'd have a BAB 17, and a final BAB of 27 at level 40. Every point of AB is important, and it's not a good idea to waste them for no reason.

Secondly, it's also generally not a good idea to take all of one class, then all of another, then all of the 3rd class in a row like you did. You get a more balanced character when you combine your levels more. This is especially true in this build, because every level of Sacred Fist is, in all important ways, basically the same as getting a level of both monk and cleric at once. If you want to make monk 6 come earlier for Improved Knockdown, that makes sense. But otherwise, you're better off taking your 10 pre-epic Sacred Fist levels as early as possible. There's really no benefit to waiting, and quite a bit of benefit to taking them early.

Finally, you get 162 skill points with this build. That's simply not enough. As a melee build, you need Discipline. You're going to want Tumble 40 for the AC. You'll want Concentration as a caster (and you need a minumum of 25 to get Improved Combat Casting anyway). Also, since this is a PRC build, you need high Spellcraft in order to learn epic spells (and you'll want it for the saves anyway) and Lore gives you castings per day. That's why I took the epic skill focuses for both of them. Maxing all of those skills (well, tumble to 40) would require 212 skill points. I would drop STR to 12 and raise INT to 12, and then you'll have 205 skill points, and you can get:

Concentration 36
Discipline 43
Lore 43
Spellcraft 43
Tumble 40

Hope that helps .

Steve

Edited By Stravinsky00 on 08/26/05 19:35

Thank you very much for your advice, it helps a lot. Intuitive attack is not so good. The wisdom AB is applied as as a bonus, and counts towards the +20 cap. You already have +14 from wisdom. Throw in buffs, spells, and gloves, and you've hit the cap quite fast. Can this build be changed somehow to get level 9 monk = improved evasion erlier?
What about dropping Sacred Fist to 22?
Quote: Posted 09/02/05 02:56:20 (GMT) -- Seventy70

Can this build be changed somehow to get level 9 monk = improved evasion erlier?
What about dropping Sacred Fist to 22?

Uh... as it is, the Monk levels could be spread out more, but they're the fastest you're ever going to get Improved Evasion, because the build takes all 9 monk levels straight through. Dropping Sacred Fist to 22 would simply lose caster levels, which is the point of being a monk/sacred fist in the first place.
Quote: Posted 09/04/05 16:02:54 (GMT) -- groundcoffee

Quote: Posted 09/02/05 02:56:20 (GMT) -- Seventy70

Can this build be changed somehow to get level 9 monk = improved evasion erlier?
What about dropping Sacred Fist to 22?

Uh... as it is, the Monk levels could be spread out more, but they're the fastest you're ever going to get Improved Evasion, because the build takes all 9 monk levels straight through. Dropping Sacred Fist to 22 would simply lose caster levels, which is the point of being a monk/sacred fist in the first place.

I think he was referring to my suggested changes to the build order, which would push monk(9) into the epics. But I agree that you don't want to lose SF levels.

Steve How about Monk/Druiid/Sacred Fist?
Rakshasa, Lawful Neutral, kind of a Nature's Warrior/Shaman. I have a quick question about the caster levels from Sacred Fist - it says that you get more castings per day but do NOT learn new spells. Since you only have 5 cleric levels, if it works as stated you should only have access to spells of level 3 or below. Is the description in the PRC manual incorrect? Do you gain access to the higher level spells by levelling as a Sacred Fist, in addition to the effective caster level and casts per day?

Thanks,

TM
Quote: Posted 01/13/06 15:35:08 (GMT) -- Tattoed Monk

I have a quick question about the caster levels from Sacred Fist - it says that you get more castings per day but do NOT learn new spells. Since you only have 5 cleric levels, if it works as stated you should only have access to spells of level 3 or below. Is the description in the PRC manual incorrect? Do you gain access to the higher level spells by levelling as a Sacred Fist, in addition to the effective caster level and casts per day?

Thanks,

TM

It's wrong. You gain new spells as a cleric would. Thanks.

In that case, one other question - it also says that sacred fist level stacks with monk level for unarmed damage. Does it by any chance also stack with monk level for other monk abilities (AC, SR, or quivering palm DC)? In other words, would it be worthwhile to take 12 monk levels to pick up Diamond Soul? Would the final SR be 22 (12+10) or 45 (12 monk levels + 23 SF levels + 10)? I am asking because if the game handles it as a single flag (monk level/not monk level), SD may count as monk levels for all feats (although they may not grant the feats themselves).

TM No.

Sacred Fist does however have it's own progression for AC and and speed increases, which adds to whatever you have from monk levels. The SR from Sacred fist is a static ability. The DC of stunning fist is based on character level IIRC, not monk level. Yes, stunning fist is char level, but quivering palm is monk level.

Thanks for the info on the SR.

TM I know this is an old thread but I've recently began playing the PRC and wanted to make a monk/cleric/SF. My question is why do you go CL 5? If SF adds spells as if you leveled in CL then why don't you just go CL 1? This is the first CL I'd be playing so pardon my question because I know I'm missing something here. Thanks. Your not missing anything. you need only 1 cl lvl to qual for sf. SF being a prc you can only get 10 pre epic, so that means more monk or more cleric. cleric makes the spells tougher, monk gives some stuff, its up to you. you dont have to ask about my preferences!! lol Avado,
Thanks for the info. I knew I was missing something...didn't even think of the 10 lvls pre-Epic!