I scrolled down some Pally builds in the epic char list thingy ma jig what.. moo... cow.. pixies.. and could find but one pally sorc rdd and it was str based.. anyone got any good starting stats for a cha abusing variant?

-DaMouse Here's an idea for a human version:

STR 16
DEX 10
CON 14
WIS 8
INT 10
CHA 16

With 16 STR, and +8 from 10 levels of RDD, you'll only need to put one more point in STR to qualify for dev crit. The rest can all go to CHA. If you're going to be wearing full plate, DEX isn't important. You'll be hurting a bit for skill points early on, as you'll need to take lore to 8 for the RDD. Other than that, you'll be able to take spellcraft, concentration, and discipline to near max by the end.

It's an idea at least.

Steve Dev crit isn't an issue as it's blocked on the server I intend on using this char on, thanks for the stuff mcfluff! to the character testing machine!

-DaMouse If you can't use dev crit, you can drop the strength further. IF you still want overwhelming crit, you can drop the STR to 15 and then not need any STR boosts other than from RDD. That will also give you 2 more attribute points at the start...INT could be a good use for them.

Steve what about paladin casting? 8 wis means non of that?

-DaMouse Yeah, for the most part, sorc/pal/RDD builds tend to be of the 23/7/10 variety, which means only level 1 paladin spells anyway even if you had the WIS for them. You could raise wisdom a bit...but honestly, you're a sorcerer. You don't really need level 1 paladin spells. The paladin levels are really just for AB, Divine Grace, and Divine Might/Shield. But, it's up to you...you could always lower strength more.

Steve I was honestly intending on doing 26 Pally 4 Sorc 10 RDD

-DaMouse So, sorc just for true strike, bull's strength, eagle's splendor, that sort of thing? Well, that will work for sure...I'd drop strength more in order to raise wisdom then...you'll get STR from the RDD levels after all, and you're mostly planning on using your CHA for damage too...sure, worth a shot, .

Steve What about human paladin 29/sorc 1/RDD 10?

You get one more paladin bonus feat.

Skills: discipline, taunt, lore 8, tumble x-classed? (or spellcraft if your saves aren't good enough alredy)

I'd take wis 14 because I think the paladin spells are quite good, and with 29 lvls they'll last a while and be hard to dispell, too.

I suggest:
str 14 -> 22 this will give a lower AB than a str based fighter, but taunt, smite, and spells will help a bit
dex 8 (use a dex+4 item and wear full plate)
con 14 -> 16
wis 14
Int 10 -> 12
Cha 16 -> 28 + any great charisma feats
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I generally avoid temptation, unless I can't resist it... *sighs* Always RDD ...

Try a Pure Paladin !

Paladin 40 (Human)
Str 14
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 14
Cha 16 (all points go there)

Max discipline.
Take power attack, divine might, divine shield, extra smiting, extra turning, and watch the damage. AB isn't fantastic, but damage is, and it's mostly divine and magical.
Also, any evil creature gets smiten hard, and any undead gets turned to ashes by this fantastic undead hunter.

You can even take a single cleric level, only to benefit from domains like sun, destruction, any elemental, plant, good/evil, or something that helps your undead turning ability. But don't ask me why a paladin would become a cleric with evil and destruction domains.
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If you call IGMS, Harm, Mestil's acid shield, the Bigby hands or Devastating Critical balanced in your post, don't expect me to like you.

I'm sorry about my bad english, I'm french.
In every lie lies a part of truth.
Quote: Posted 05/02/05 12:37:58 (GMT) -- Agifem

*sighs* Always RDD ...


well, not always...

You can also go Pally/CoT/Fighter like "The Divine Warrior" Click Here
That's the most "charisma abusing" build I've seen yet!

...but you're right - a pure paladin is ... well ... the essence of purity.
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Edited By Mick Dagger on 05/02/05 13:11

I'd be tempted to make a Paladin 25/HS 5/CoT 10 for a fully "abusing charisma paladin". Couldn't you hook up CoT to 15 and get the same amount of feats but better divine wrath?

-DaMouse Well, I'd just use the CoT levels to rattle through the great smiting feats and the HS to get the charisma up to qualifing level fairly early, I think I have one of these with great smiting 7 and a natural charisma of 37 somewhere. Come to think of it.. we could drop Paladin to 15 if we felt like just hitting it's max spell casting stats (apart from duration and other misc stuff) and going 20 CoT for EVEN BETTER divine wrath.. I need to go test this.. MEEP!

-DaMouse A few levels of shadowdancer and you get evasion and slippery mind, giving you 2 shots at any will or reflex saves. Stack that with the divine grace save bonus and you can spell abuse "CHA".
Quote: Posted 05/03/05 23:11:05 (GMT) -- Deltutammatre

A few levels of shadowdancer and you get evasion and slippery mind, giving you 2 shots at any will or reflex saves. Stack that with the divine grace save bonus and you can spell abuse "CHA".

I'd like to see that happen, when intelligence and dex are your dump stats.
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If you call IGMS, Harm, Mestil's acid shield, the Bigby hands or Devastating Critical balanced in your post, don't expect me to like you.

I'm sorry about my bad english, I'm french.
In every lie lies a part of truth. What's a dump stat?
Quote: Posted 05/05/05 01:59:43 (GMT) -- Deltutammatre

What's a dump stat?

a dump stat is just a stat you don't do anything with... like strength for a rogue, or dex for a fighter. Because if your based on sneaking and sneak attack damage str doesn't really mean much, same with a full plate wearing fighter.

Doing this just allows you to bump up the more useful stats for your build. Pretty much min-maxing

Brandon