If it's possible, would it be decent? I'd like Epic Dodge and Self-Concealment V if possible...And 10 levels of PM of imunities to sneak and critical...
Quote: Posted 06/20/05 18:36:33 (GMT) -- Skooter de Ranger
If it's possible, would it be decent? I'd like Epic Dodge and Self-Concealment V if possible...And 10 levels of PM of imunities to sneak and critical...
17Bard / 10 PM / 13 SD
would likely be the way to go. You need all 10 SD levels before you can get Epic Dodge and your would need to focus your build quite a bit on DEX, thus leaving CHA rather low and hurting your spellcasting.
Bard song should still be decent though (16th bard song is max viable) and you get ED, imm sneaks and crits.
AB will also be on the mid range if you take your PM levels while epic and spread Bard and SD pre-epic in the rule of 4.
BAB at 40 would be 25, you get 3 attacks a round, can buff quite a bit, taunt to lower AC, get curse song and bard song etc etc.
All in all, decent but will be weak vs Spellcasters and enemies who have high DR, such as DDs and Barbs. _________________ Inactive for a while
Was thinking more PM levels for better AC...with much less Bard...at work now, so can't play with any builds yet.
I suppose you could drop bard down to 14 and sd down to 10 to get 16 pm for epic spells and still do well.
Actually that would work better *mind not working* _________________ Inactive for a while
I made something similar a while ago, although it had a lot less bard levels. I found the AC to be very high, but unfortunately the character was next to no use at hitting things or casting a decent repetior of offensive spells.
Take 12 of the 14 bard levels pre-epic and 8 SD levels. With a 14 bard level bard song, you should be hitting things, especially combined with curse song and taunt. _________________ Inactive for a while
Quote: Posted 06/20/05 18:36:33 (GMT) -- Skooter de Ranger
If it's possible, would it be decent? I'd like Epic Dodge and Self-Concealment V if possible...And 10 levels of PM of imunities to sneak and critical...
It is possible. If you take elf with DEX 20 and take Great Dex II, you can get self concealment at your lvl 33, 36 and 39 regular feats. If you take 16 lvls of SD, you get bonus feats at lvl 13 and 16. If you take these two bonus feats at clvl 33 or later, you can get all the 5 self concealment feats.
If you have Bard 8/PM 4/SD 8 at lvl 20 your BAB will be 14. If you take Bard 12/SD 8 at lvl 20 your BAB will be 15. Anyway you should be able to end up with Bard 14/SD 16/PM 10 at lvl 40 and get all the feats you asked for. With BAB 15 you get 3 attacks. With weapon finesse, bard song, taunt and buffing spells, you should be able to hit quite often if not every time. If you want epic warding, you need 6 more PM lvls. I think you must take them from the Bard lvls. You get weaker spells and song this way, and you have to take PM lvls pre-epic ending with a lower BAB (max 14). But IMO giving this character more defence with epic warding is overkill. _________________ I generally avoid temptation, unless I can't resist it...
But IMO giving this character more defence with epic warding is overkill.
Depends on module/pw. You'd be surprised...
High AC , epic dodge, SC5, crit and sneak immune, improved evasion and high refl saves, defensive roll, slippery mind, stealth with HIPS, summons to distract (did I forget something?)- and on top of all that: epic warding!
You're right - I'd be surprised.
I'd expect most trouble with certain types of magic. _________________ I generally avoid temptation, unless I can't resist it...
Edited By Mick Dagger on 06/21/05 16:03
So Bd 4/PM 16/SD 16?? Need to get the guy almost impossible to hit. Play in a PW with +10 items and +12 stat items available, but only at high levels and expensive. Tired of getting PK'd by sneakers all the time...
This cahr couldbe the ultimate blocker, but i doubt you'll be able to hit anything in PvP. _________________ Inactive for a while
Well.. weapon finesse and a rapier would make use of dex AC but.. uhh.. damage.. 1d6-2 or something?
-DaMouse
He'll make a good tank and scout, but needs a party to deal heavy damage. _________________ I generally avoid temptation, unless I can't resist it...
Sort of like taking on a mountain. Your puny weapons aren't going to do much to it, but the only way it's going to hurt you is if it falls on you.
Steve
I can't seem to get the levels to play out to get enough feats for all the Self-Concealments....any suggestions? Lots of SD epic? And don't really care to do much damage, just need to be able to not get hit and make a run for it....
Improved invisibility works nice in place of SC5. You could just go for an excellent AC with epic dodge and still possibly get devcrit.
Quote: Posted 06/22/05 21:05:15 (GMT) -- Skooter de Ranger
I can't seem to get the levels to play out to get enough feats for all the Self-Concealments....any suggestions? Lots of SD epic? And don't really care to do much damage, just need to be able to not get hit and make a run for it....
Try this! Remember to take DEX every time you get ability points.
It is possible. If you take elf with DEX 20 and take Great Dex II, you can get self concealment at your lvl 33, 36 and 39 regular feats. If you take 16 lvls of SD, you get bonus feats at lvl 13 and 16. If you take these two bonus feats at clvl 33 or later, you can get all the 5 self concealment feats.
_________________ I generally avoid temptation, unless I can't resist it...
*mind not working*
but.. uhh.. damage.. 1d6-2 or something?