i dont have the time to search through all the posts and i still probably wouldnt find exactly what i wanted...

Im looking for a bard30/RDD10 which:

-is a swashbuckler type bard
-Has NO dev crit
-can buff himself and party well
-Rapier and shield (any type i dont know which is best for bard...)
-id like it to be an elf i prefer over human but this can help with dex...

Its for a party based world but id like it to be able to fight dam good itself if anyone can provide links or come up with something id be very grateful.

Dark.
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What I want to find out is -- do parrots know much about Astro-Turf? no matches found - search engine

doesent seem to even be any 30/10 bard/rdd
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I'd like TRAINED SEALS and a CONVERTIBLE on my doorstep by NOON!!
Quote: Posted 08/08/05 23:01:13 (GMT) -- darkfire_arrow01

no matches found - search engine

doesent seem to even be any 30/10 bard/rdd

Probably because a build like that almost screams for at least a few fighter levels.

Steve 26 bard/4 fighter/10 rdd

3 fighter pre epic and 1 epic sounds good but i did the search if i remember right there were either none or very few certainly none that come near what i was looking for.

Dark.
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Give them RADAR-GUIDED SKEE-BALL LANES and VELVEETA BURRITOS!! Cinnabar Din's Skillful Minstrel (26/4/10 version) is the best Bard build there will ever be.
Quote: Posted 08/09/05 22:06:44 (GMT) -- darkfire_arrow01

26 bard/4 fighter/10 rdd

3 fighter pre epic and 1 epic sounds good but i did the search if i remember right there were either none or very few certainly none that come near what i was looking for.

Dark.

You don't get 4 attacks per round with only 3 pre-epic fighter levels. You'll want at least 4 fighter levels pre-epic.

Steve

Edited By Stravinsky00 on 08/09/05 23:40

Quote: Posted 08/08/05 22:39:32 (GMT) -- darkfire_arrow01

Im looking for a bard30/RDD10 which:

-is a swashbuckler type bard
-Has NO dev crit
-can buff himself and party well
-Rapier and shield (any type i dont know which is best for bard...)
-id like it to be an elf i prefer over human but this can help with dex...

Its for a party based world but id like it to be able to fight dam good itself if anyone can provide links or come up with something id be very grateful.

Dark.

I did the same search, and I came up with 8 builds. Granted, non of them were elf, but that is SOOO easy to modify. THere were atleast 2, prob 3, melee bard builds with the ability to buff and sing, with good damage and ab.

I had the honor of playing with pulse cap the other night and we were talking about this very thing. The search engine is a tool to help players find an IDEA for a build that could suit them. If someone hasnt built one EXACTLY to your standards.. do it yourself. Take miths or cins build and adapt it! BUT before you do, read the reasons WHY they made the build that way. THat is how we learn and improve.

I apologize if someone takes offence to my posting (it has happend lately), but I believe pulse has done the forum a great service with the search engine. It is sad that some people wont even try to build a character when there are at least 8 builds that could be used as an outline. Just my two cents.


FinneousPJ
Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Profile: Tuesday, 09 August 2005 06:31PM
Cinnabar Din's Skillful Minstrel (26/4/10 version) is the best Bard build there will ever be.

I think finneous makes the point rather well.

Peace

Edited By avado on 08/10/05 03:27

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I did the same search, and I came up with 8 builds. Granted, non of them were elf, but that is SOOO easy to modify. THere were atleast 2, prob 3, melee bard builds with the ability to buff and sing, with good damage and ab.

Strange perhaps i just dont understand the search engine
Quote: Posted 08/10/05 22:42:06 (GMT) -- darkfire_arrow01

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I did the same search, and I came up with 8 builds. Granted, non of them were elf, but that is SOOO easy to modify. THere were atleast 2, prob 3, melee bard builds with the ability to buff and sing, with good damage and ab.

Strange perhaps i just dont understand the search engine

That may very well be. I know the first time i used it i got no bard builds cuz i forgot to change the barabarian to bard! It happens. Its good to see that you now know how. Maybe, post a bard build that you have modified and we can help you to tweak it to your liking (since we have helped you now locate MANY damage melee buffer bard builds).

Peace I used cin's skillful minstrel as a template there are some things i need clearing up though the stats i believe are wrong i changed int down to 12 i took away some skills like taunt because on my server there would be no need and also discipline therefore freeing up 2 epic feats which i think great strength can be put in there i dont know so check that out and also getting a free feat where epic skill focus spellcraft was which i havent got any ideas on what to put their yeat...

Bard 24/FTR 6/RDD 10

Elf, any non-Lawful

STR 16
DEX 12
CON 12
WIS 8
INT 12
CHA 14

1 )Bard 1: Artist
2 )FTR 1: Power attack
3 )FTR 2: Weapon Focus: Rapier/ Cleave
4 )FTR 3
5 )FTR 4: Weapon Specialization: Rapier (STR 17)
6 )RDD 1: Knockdown
7 )Bard 2
8 )RDD 2: STR (20)
9 )RDD 3: Skill Focus: Perform
10)RDD 4
11)Bard 3
12)Bard 4: Improved Critical: Rapier/ STR (23)
13)RDD 5
14)RDD 6
15)RDD 7: Still Spell
16)RDD 8: STR (24)
17)Bard 5
18)Bard 6: Curse Song
19)Bard 7
20)Bard 8: STR (25)
21)RDD 9: Epic Weapon Focus: Rapier
22)RDD 10
23)FTR 5
24)FTR 6: Epic Prowess /Epic Weapon Specialization: Rapier/ STR (30)
25)Bard 9
26)Bard 10
27)Bard 11: Great strength I**
28)Bard 12: STR (31)
29)Bard 13
30)Bard 14: Great strength II**
31)Bard 15
32)Bard 16: STR (32)
33)Bard 17: Epic Skill Focus: Perform
34)Bard 18
35)Bard 19
36)Bard 20: Lasting Inspiration/STR (33)
37)Bard 21
38)Bard 22
39)Bard 23: Armor Skin/ FREE FEAT*
40)Bard 24: (STR 34)

(** these feats possible?)

Final stats:

STR 36
DEX 12
CON 14
WIS 8
INT 14
CHA 16

so a few things might need changing....

Dark. It looks good. If you really dont need that free feat (which appears to me to be a bard bonus feat, unless the bard gets armor skin as epic bonus) id suggest goin 5 ftr, taking the wpn spec at 24. This would loose you epic prowess til 27. I am assuming that you are taking perform, tumble, umd for skills? Id look at concentration or spellcraft or heal for your others (depending on what you want). Also, i got 2 extra stat points at lv 1, so make wis 10 to not give yourself a neg modifier to will saves.

All in all, a very solid build, imho. nicely done

Peace ty for that avado ill look into the extra fighter level idea , and yes im not very good with attribute placing hehe

For skills i was thinking of going for tumble,perform,concentration, as definite and if i could heal,UMD,spellcraft

Dark.
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You do not simply exist, but decide what your existance will be. Life is ultimately self-determined. hmmm could fighter 5 be moved to 20th level moving bard 8 to where it was....could net another ab if works.....

but it probably cant be done unable to test atm

Dark.
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Quote: Posted 08/12/05 22:22:21 (GMT) -- darkfire_arrow01

hmmm could fighter 5 be moved to 20th level moving bard 8 to where it was....could net another ab if works.....

but it probably cant be done unable to test atm

Dark.

How would that net another AB? Bard lvl 8 gets an AB, that what all that by-4-and-4 level thing is all about. heh okayz