Im looking for a build that the main focus is to disarm a high "AC" npc. Needs to be able to to a punch and able to take a few spells as well. On the server that im currently playing, weapons are very strong and hard to come by. So if i just disarm him first, then I can take the battle alittle quicker. I've seen a bunch of great builds here and plenty of them would work out great. Just looking for some input and Idea's.

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Ps: Im going to use one or two hand axes, cause they are what i've got plenty of at this moment.
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Quote: Posted 09/15/05 22:32:40 (GMT) -- Counselor Architect

Im looking for a build that the main focus is to disarm a high "AC" npc. Needs to be able to to a punch and able to take a few spells as well. On the server that im currently playing, weapons are very strong and hard to come by. So if i just disarm him first, then I can take the battle alittle quicker. I've seen a bunch of great builds here and plenty of them would work out great. Just looking for some input and Idea's.

Great forum

Ps: Im going to use one or two hand axes, cause they are what i've got plenty of at this moment.

You'd be better served going with a 2-handed weapon. Disarm uses your attack roll and is opposed by the opponent's Discipline check, so a high AB (either DEX or STR) is obviously a must. But, your opponent gets a -4 penalty on his check for every size category smaller his weapon is than yours.

Assuming you have a large weapon:

if your opponent's weapon is large: no modifier.
if your opponent's weapon is medium: -4 penalty
if your opponent's weapon is small: -8 penalty
if your opponent's weapon is tiny: -12 penalty

Handaxes are small sized, so if you're trying to disarm someone with a large weapon, they'll have a +8 modifer on their Discipline check.

That being said, I'd go with a 1/2 Orc FTR/Bard/RDD with max STR and a 2 handed weapon. You can end up with hideous STR (for a good AB), a +2 boost from Bard Song, and the best Disarm chance you can get due to weapon size.
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Quote: Posted 09/16/05 01:40:24 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din
You'd be better served going with a 2-handed weapon. Disarm uses your attack roll and is opposed by the opponent's Discipline check, so a high AB (either DEX or STR) is obviously a must. But, your opponent gets a -4 penalty on his check for every size category smaller his weapon is than yours.

Assuming you have a large weapon:

if your opponent's weapon is large: no modifier.
if your opponent's weapon is medium: -4 penalty
if your opponent's weapon is small: -8 penalty
if your opponent's weapon is tiny: -12 penalty

Handaxes are small sized, so if you're trying to disarm someone with a large weapon, they'll have a +8 modifer on their Discipline check.

That being said, I'd go with a 1/2 Orc FTR/Bard/RDD with max STR and a 2 handed weapon. You can end up with hideous STR (for a good AB), a +2 boost from Bard Song, and the best Disarm chance you can get due to weapon size.

Question With Dex vs Str, Which raised you AB?

So I should use a Great sword, so im at the same size or larger for the modifer?

What about Bard/Barb/RDD? Seem that they can handle the punishment needed if the first disarm fails?

Human vs half Orc? Skill points? Which is better? Should I use Monk or Rogue?

I do like your Idea, just need more info on a good disarmer.
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Quote: Posted 09/16/05 02:02:23 (GMT) -- Counselor Architect

Question With Dex vs Str, Which raised you AB?

Depends. STR, if you don't have a higher DEX and the Weapon Finesse feat (and are wielding a finessable weapon).

DEX if: you have the Weapon Finesse feat, your DEX is higher than your STR, and you're wielding a finessable weapon.

Quote: So I should use a Great sword, so im at the same size or larger for the modifer?

Any large weapon: greatsword, heavy flail, greataxe, halberd, dire mace*, two-bladed sword*, double axe*.

*These all need the Ambidexterity and Two Weapon Fighting line of feats to be used effectively.

Quote: What about Bard/Barb/RDD? Seem that they can handle the punishment needed if the first disarm fails?

Any build that has high HPs can handle the punishment. Damage Reduction might also be a good thing to consider (Dwarven Defender levels, maybe)

Quote: Human vs half Orc? Skill points? Which is better? Should I use Monk or Rogue?

I never use Monk, as I hate the class, but that's just my prejudice. However, unless you're planning on going without armor and having a high WIS, I'd say Rogue is a better choice.

Human vs 1/2 Orc: your choice. If you're going to go for complettely munchkinized min/maxing, then 1/2 Orc is the way to go, as they can start with 20 STR.

Skill points are good, as you can max out things like Spellcraft (to help your saves vs spells), Taunt (to lower your opponent's AC), Discipline (to avoid being KDed or Disarmed), Tumble (for up to +8 extra AC), UMD (to use any item you can find), and Perform (to get the most from your Bard Song).

Quote: I do like your Idea, just need more info on a good disarmer.

Well, I was just throwing out a suggestion, as I've never specifically built a character with the intent to use Disarm.
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It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!! I'll post some of my builds to get some input. This character is a tool to aid my other charaters. Since the server Im playing on allows for Item tranfer between my characters, I just needed something to help out. Thx again.
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I was baptized with the Holy Spirit when I took Him by simple faith in the Word of God.... You might want to look at The Skillful Minstrel for some ideas. I didn't build him for what you had in mind, but I think you could easily switch some feats around and boost your STR up. With your Bard Song active, your Discipline would be high enough that you won't be Disarmed or KDed easily and you could also Taunt and Curse Song to drop your enemy's AC by up to 11 points, making it way easier to land your Disarm attempts.
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