i was wondering what the highest possible AB was for an AA? i was thinking it would be a DEX based fighter/bard AA with 29/30 levels AA, and i thought bard for the song and 3/4 BAB progression.

any help is appreciated, and links to said builds would be excellent.

TIA

-Eddie
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Quote: Posted 08/27/05 20:17:11 (GMT) by Wizard Weatherwax

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Its understandable... Highest AB would be Elf with starting DEX of 20. Add in 10 DEX ability boosts and 10 GRT DEX feats for an ending DEX of 40. Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Focus, and Epic Prowess add another +4. 29 or 30 AA levels gives you +15 Enchant Arrows. FTR 9/WIZ 1 (or SOR or Bard 1)/AA 10 by level 20 for maxmimum BAB (or any combination that gives you +19 BAB by level 20).

Total:
+29 BAB
+15 Enchant Arrow
+4 (WF, EWF, EP)
+20 (DEX modifier)

= +68

I think that's as high as you can get without items/magic. Add +6 for maximum DEX boost and +20 for items/magic boosts and you get a total highest possible AB of:

68 + 6 + 20 = +94 AB

Unless I've forgotten something, that's as high as you can get.
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Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream... uhm.. 20 + 10 + 10 = 40.. 40-10 = 30.. 30/2 = 15.. so it's +15 not +20 for your dex modifier.. taking your max down to what.. 89?

-DaMouse Cinn, I think it is the first time I read something wrong from you.

For max AB you need 30 AA levels, it is not possible with 29.

The AB is:
+29 BAB
+15 Enchant Arrow
+4 (WF, EWF, EP)
+15 (DEX modifier Not 20, everybody slips once in a while)
= +63 [+64 in melee range]

So the maximum AB possible is:
+63 +20 (Max AB buff possible, from bow or true strike) +6 (max dex buff possible) = +89 [+90 in melee range]

This is one of the max AB possible builds (The most usual uses fighter, but I dislike it) the skills are only a suggestion.

Barbarian(8), Wizard(2), Arcane Archer(30), Elf

STR: 14
DEX: 20 (40)
CON: 10
WIS: 8
INT: 12
CHA: 8

01: Barbarian(1): Point Blank Shot
02: Barbarian(2)
03: Wizard(1): Rapid Shot
04: Barbarian(3): DEX+1, (DEX=21)
05: Barbarian(4)
06: Barbarian(5): Weapon Focus: Longbow
07: Barbarian(6)
08: Barbarian(7): DEX+1, (DEX=22)
09: Arcane Archer(1): Called Shot
10: Arcane Archer(2)
11: Arcane Archer(3)
12: Arcane Archer(4): DEX+1, Iron Will, (DEX=23)
13: Arcane Archer(5)
14: Arcane Archer(6)
15: Arcane Archer(7): Improved Critical: Longbow
16: Arcane Archer(8): DEX+1, (DEX=24)
17: Arcane Archer(9)
18: Arcane Archer(10): Toughness
19: Barbarian(8)
20: Wizard(2): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
21: Arcane Archer(11): Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow
22: Arcane Archer(12)
23: Arcane Archer(13)
24: Arcane Archer(14): DEX+1, Epic Prowess, Great Dexterity I, (DEX=27)
25: Arcane Archer(15)
26: Arcane Archer(16)
27: Arcane Archer(17): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=28)
28: Arcane Archer(18): DEX+1, Great Dexterity III, (DEX=30)
29: Arcane Archer(19)
30: Arcane Archer(20): Great Dexterity IV, (DEX=31)
31: Arcane Archer(21)
32: Arcane Archer(22): DEX+1, Great Dexterity V, (DEX=33)
33: Arcane Archer(23): Great Dexterity VI, (DEX=34)
34: Arcane Archer(24)
35: Arcane Archer(25)
36: Arcane Archer(26): DEX+1, Great Dexterity VII, Great Dexterity VIII, (DEX=37)
37: Arcane Archer(27)
38: Arcane Archer(28)
39: Arcane Archer(29): Great Dexterity IX, (DEX=38)
40: Arcane Archer(30): DEX+1, Great Dexterity X, (DEX=40)

01: Discipline(4), Listen(4), Search(1),
02: Discipline(1), Listen(1),
03: Spellcraft(4),
04: Discipline(2), Listen(2),
05: Discipline(1), Listen(1),
06: Discipline(1), Listen(1),
07: Discipline(1), Listen(1), Tumble(5),
08: Discipline(1), Listen(1),
09: Listen(1), Spot(12),
10: Listen(1), Spot(1),
11: Listen(1), Spot(1),
12: Listen(1), Spot(1),
13: Listen(1), Spot(1),
14: Listen(1), Spot(1),
15: Listen(1), Spot(1),
16: Listen(1), Spot(1),
17: Listen(1), Spot(1), Tumble(5),
18: Listen(1), Spot(1),
19: Discipline(11), Listen(1),
20: Spellcraft(19),
21: Listen(2), Spot(3),
22: Listen(1), Search(2), Spot(1),
23: Listen(1), Search(1), Spot(1),
24: Listen(1), Search(1), Spot(1),
25: Listen(1), Spot(1),
26: Listen(1), Spot(1),
27: Listen(1), Spot(1), Tumble(5),
28: Listen(1), Search(2), Spot(1),
29: Listen(1), Search(1), Spot(1),
30: Listen(1), Search(2), Spot(1),
31: Listen(1), Search(1), Spot(1),
32: Listen(1), Search(2), Spot(1),
33: Listen(1), Search(1), Spot(1),
34: Listen(1), Search(1), Spot(1),
35: Listen(1), Spot(1),
36: Listen(1), Spot(1),
37: Listen(1), Spot(1), Tumble(5),
38: Listen(1), Search(2), Spot(1),
39: Listen(1), Search(1), Spot(1),
40: Listen(1), Search(2), Spot(1),


Max Hitpoints: 384
Saves:
Fortitude: 23 (27)
Will: 19 (23)
Reflex: 34 (38)

BAB: 29
AB: 63 (ranged)
Naked AC: 29
Spell Casting: Wizard(1) 4Cantrips/day 3Level1/day

Discipline 22(24)
Listen 43(44)
Search 20(23)
Spellcraft 23(24) //+2 int will give you +1 to saves vs spells
Spot 43(44)
Tumble 20(35)
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Edited By fernandooa on 10/02/05 16:29

Thanks guys, I had it in my head that max AB should work out to +89, but I couldn't see where I went wrong, so thought my memory was faulty. That's why I put in that "unless I've forgotten something" disclaimer.

Thanks for catching that.
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Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream... you can do it with 29 AA.. since AA enchantment is done on odd levels.. so 29 AA is the +15 that we so love

-DaMouse but when one is as sneaky as me, you can getit to look like you have 109

if you cast true strike, it adds nothing to the actual AB, but makes it say on the character sheet you have 20 more. i only found out through combat debugging
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Its understandable...
Quote: Posted 10/02/05 17:04:07 (GMT) -- DaMouse404

you can do it with 29 AA.. since AA enchantment is done on odd levels.. so 29 AA is the +15 that we so love

-DaMouse

Well, I'm pretty sure fernandoa was referring to needing AA 30 because you need the bonus feat at AA 30 to get Great Dex X, not because of Enchant Arrow. Of course, if you're going Fighter9/wiz1/AA10 pre-epic, you could also just take a 10th fighter level in epic and use the bonus feat for Epic Weapon Focus or Epic Prowess and still manage to get to Great Dex X with only 29 AA levels.

Steve

Edited By Stravinsky00 on 10/02/05 17:17