IM looking for a DD build Dex using a Rapier naked that has a AB of 46 naked and a decent ac other classes can be fighter wm up to you and id like dmg reduct of atleast 15
Quote: Posted 10/20/05 01:47:28 (GMT) -- g_snuggs

IM looking for a DD build Dex using a Rapier naked that has a AB of 46 naked and a decent ac other classes can be fighter wm up to you and id like dmg reduct of atleast 15
FYI, if you are looking for naked rapier AB of 46, and you want him to be Dex, then by default you are going to need Weapon MAster, and lots of it.

Good luck, lad.
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Quote: Posted 10/20/05 01:47:28 (GMT) -- g_snuggs

IM looking for a DD build Dex using a Rapier naked that has a AB of 46 naked and a decent ac other classes can be fighter wm up to you and id like dmg reduct of atleast 15

Best I can do for a quick build:

FTR 11/DwD 22/WM 7

Dwarf, any Lawful

STR 10
DEX 18 (28)
CON 16 (22)
INT 14
WIS 8
CHA 6

1 )FTR1: Weapon Focus/ Weapon Finesse
2 )FTR2: Dodge
3 )FTR3: Mobility
4 )FTR4: Weapon Specialization/ DEX (19)
5 )FTR5
6 )FTR6: Expertise/ Spring Attack
7 )FTR7
8 )FTR8: Whirlwind Attack/ DEX (20)
9 )WM1: Toughness
10)WM2
11)WM3
12)WM4: Blind Fight/ DEX (21)
13)WM5
14)WM6
15)WM7: Knockdown
16)DwD1: DEX (22)
17)DwD2
18)DwD3: Improved Crit
19)DwD4
20)FTR9: DEX (23)

21)FTR 10: Epic Weapon Focus/ Epic Weapon Specialization
22)DwD5
23)DwD6
24)DwD7: GRT CON I (17)/ CON (18)
25)DwD8
26)DwD9
27)DwD10: GRT CON II (19)
28)FTR11: CON (20)
29)FTR12: Epic Prowess
30)FTR13: GRT CON III (21)
31)FTR14: Damage Reduction I
32)FTR15: CON (22)
33)FTR16: GRT DEX (24)/ Damage Reduction II
34)FTR17
35)FTR18: Damage Reduction III
36)DwD11: GRT DEX (25)/ DEX (26)
37)DwD12
38)DwD13
39)DwD14: GRT DEX (27)/ Armor Skin
40)FTR19: GRT DEX (28)

AB: +44

18/- DR

Naked AC: 25 (assuming 20 ranks in Tumble)

Note you could drop 4 DwD levels and pick up 4 more FTR. This would allow you to take GRT DEX at level 24, EWF as a FTR bonus feat, EWS as a bonus feat, but you lose 3/- DR and Armor Skin. Leave CON at 21 and take DEX as your ability increase at level 32. Your AB would rise by one and your net loss to AC would be 1.

Things I don't like about this idea: low damage without crits, poor Will save, no Imp KD (you could drop Blind Fight for it), no spellcasting or UMD (which makes you depend on others for buffing). Also no Epic Dodge, Imp Evasion, Sneak Attack, or SC (I'd want at least one of these last four in a DEX build).
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Quote: Posted 10/20/05 04:07:42 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din

Quote: Posted 10/20/05 01:47:28 (GMT) -- g_snuggs

IM looking for a DD build Dex using a Rapier naked that has a AB of 46 naked and a decent ac other classes can be fighter wm up to you and id like dmg reduct of atleast 15

Best I can do for a quick build:

FTR 11/DwD 22/WM 7


The build you posted is a FTR 19/DwD 14/WM 7

Edited By Kail Pendragon on 10/26/05 02:10

Quote: Posted 10/20/05 01:47:28 (GMT) -- g_snuggs

IM looking for a DD build Dex using a Rapier naked that has a AB of 46 naked and a decent ac other classes can be fighter wm up to you and id like dmg reduct of atleast 15

I posted a DD dex build with AB=43 (mundane rapier), DR 15, SCV, AC (naked) 31, UMD and sneak attacks. It's called the Concealed Wall (DwD 22/Rogue 16 /FTR 2). You can get also ED but that means lowering the DwD levels (and therefore DR). Might be worth giving a look at it There's a lot of variants on your theme in that thread (maybe go for one with epic dodge, SC IV?)

I tried the puzzle too to try and get SC V/ED but you really can't get it without taking more rogue since you do need the four GD to really qualify in time. That would mean you'd need 2 more rogue bonus feats and that'd mean rogue 24 at least, I think. Or you could possibly try for Rogue 19/ SD 5/ DWD 14 but that means losing general feats but get HiPS.

Either way, it's dropping DWD levels a lot and losing feats, DR and HPs, but you'd also gain sneak attack die (quite a lot especially with rogue 24) which I didn't really see mentioned. It would be defensive more in the concealment category and more offensive sneaking-wise.
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Quote: Posted 10/26/05 08:04:20 (GMT) -- Jennalee

There's a lot of variants on your theme in that thread (maybe go for one with epic dodge, SC IV?)

I tried the puzzle too to try and get SC V/ED but you really can't get it without taking more rogue since you do need the four GD to really qualify in time. That would mean you'd need 2 more rogue bonus feats and that'd mean rogue 24 at least, I think. Or you could possibly try for Rogue 19/ SD 5/ DWD 14 but that means losing general feats but get HiPS.

Either way, it's dropping DWD levels a lot and losing feats, DR and HPs, but you'd also gain sneak attack die (quite a lot especially with rogue 24) which I didn't really see mentioned. It would be defensive more in the concealment category and more offensive sneaking-wise.

Yup, there are a lot of variants indeed
I should post 'em all I think
The main variants are actually four:
1) SCV, DR 15/- but no ED (Rg 16/ DwD 22/ Fg 2)
2)SCIV, ED, DR 12/- : (Rg 19/DwD 19/ Fg2) my favourite
3)SCV, ED, DR 9/- : Rg 24/DwD 14/ Fg 2
4)SCIV, ED, DR 9/-, WS, EWS, dual wielding: Rg 20/Dw 14/ Fg 6 (I made it after the dwarflord suggestions)

Main problem is damage output against sneak immune creatures but defense is awesome so even if you are gonna lose HP by taking more rogue it shouldn't be a big problem. AB 46 with a mundane rapier is out of reach though, maximun I got was 43..."just" 3 points off the mark
Well, I guess I have to post the other 3 variants then...

Cheers
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