I'm in need of some help for a Kama monk build.

It needs at least 20 monk lvls, and more is appreciated.

It needs a full 16 AB and Ï'm definately thinking of FTR as a reference, so the skills and dmg with kama is easily enhanced.

Duel wielding as a must as well.

and other things like 15 int at some point is needed due to the server I'm playing has a portal system that needs you to have 15 int.

it is a dexxer, and 15 dex is also needed to start with.
Basicly I just wanted something I could work with, because I'm open to suggestions. I might add that PM, RDD, CoT and wiz/sorc is out of the qustion.

Other than that I would be pleased with some feedback
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Quote: Posted 12/05/05 22:50:51 (GMT) -- Kalmar_Oxin

I'm in need of some help for a Kama monk build.

It needs at least 20 monk lvls, and more is appreciated.

It needs a full 16 AB and Ï'm definately thinking of FTR as a reference, so the skills and dmg with kama is easily enhanced.

Duel wielding as a must as well.

and other things like 15 int at some point is needed due to the server I'm playing has a portal system that needs you to have 15 int.

it is a dexxer, and 15 dex is also needed to start with.
Basicly I just wanted something I could work with, because I'm open to suggestions. I might add that PM, RDD, CoT and wiz/sorc is out of the qustion.

Other than that I would be pleased with some feedback

15 int is tough on a monk - Int and Cha are the only stats that monks can usually afford to dump.

If you want a dual-wielding dex monk/fighter, I would recommend Human or Dwarf. Elf would be nice, but you will end up suffering from XP penalties (unless the server doesn't have XP penalties, then go Elf). Normally for a kama monk I would go fighter-heavy and monk-light, but you specifically said 20+ monk levels. I would also recommend some SD levels to get ED (you could do it with Rogue levels, but you will need at least 10 of them, costing you 5 monk levels, a bonus feat, some AC and SR, but gaining some sneak damage and UMD - your choice. You will also need to go human, and balance the fighter and rogue levels as you go).

Here is the SD version:
Monk(25), Fighter(10), Shadowdancer(5), Human
STR: 14
DEX: 14 (28)
CON: 14
WIS: 14
INT: 14 (15)
CHA: 6

Hitpoints: 460
Skillpoints: 291
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 25/22/29
BAB: 26
AB (max, naked): 39 (melee), 36 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 36/36
Discipline 43(45), Hide 43(52), Listen 43(45), Move Silently 43(52), Tumble 43(52), 76 left over

L01: M(1): Toughness, Dodge, M: (Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist)
L02: M(2): M: (Deflect Arrows)
L03: F(1): Weapon Focus: Kama, Weapon Finesse
L04: F(2): DEX+1, Ambidexterity, (DEX=15)
L05: F(3)
L06: F(4): Weapon Specialization: Kama, Two-Weapon Fighting
L07: M(3)
L08: M(4): DEX+1, (DEX=16)
L09: M(5): Blind Fight
L10: M(6): M: (Knockdown, Improved Knockdown)
L11: M(7)
L12: M(8): INT+1, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, (INT=15)
L13: M(9): M: (Improved Evasion)
L14: M(10): M: (KI Strike +1)
L15: M(11): Improved Critical: Kama, M: (Diamond Soul)
L16: M(12): DEX+1, M: (Diamond Body), (DEX=17)
L17: M(13): M: (KI Strike +2)
L18: M(14): Mobility
L19: M(15)
L20: F(5): DEX+1, (DEX=18)
L21: F(6): Great Dexterity I, Epic Weapon Focus: Kama, (DEX=19)
L22: F(7)
L23: F(8): Epic Weapon Specialization: Kama
L24: F(9): DEX+1, Great Dexterity II, (DEX=21)
L25: F(10): Epic Prowess
L26: M(16): M: (KI Strike +3)
L27: M(17): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=22)
L28: M(18): DEX+1, (DEX=23)
L29: SD(1): SD: (Hide in Plain Sight)
L30: SD(2): Great Dexterity IV, SD: (Darkvision, Uncanny Dodge I), (DEX=24)
L31: SD(3)
L32: SD(4): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
L33: SD(5): Epic Dodge, SD: (Defensive Roll)
L34: M(19)
L35: M(20)
L36: M(21): DEX+1, Armor Skin, (DEX=26)
L37: M(22)
L38: M(23)
L39: M(24): Great Dexterity V, (DEX=27)
L40: M(25): DEX+1, Improved Spell Resistance I, (DEX=28)

You end up with a moderately low Dex, since you had to put points into Int.

TM Here is the rogue version - again, the Int is costing you Dex, and you get ED fairly late. Everything advances somewhat slowly due to the need to balance Fighter and Rogue levels. This build will mature late. If you can use the portals by boosting Int with potions or items, you could leave it at 10 (+5 from a potion of Fox's cunning when you want to use the portal), which would let you boost Dex by 2 and get ED significantly earlier in both builds.

Monk(20), Fighter(10), Rogue(10), Human
STR: 14
DEX: 14 (28)
CON: 14
WIS: 14
INT: 14 (15)
CHA: 8
Hitpoints: 440
Skillpoints: 321
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 24/21/31
BAB: 26
AB (max, naked): 39 (melee), 36 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 35/35
L01: M(1): Toughness, Dodge, M: (Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist)
L02: M(2): M: (Deflect Arrows)
L03: F(1): Weapon Focus: Kama, Weapon Finesse
L04: F(2): DEX+1, Ambidexterity, (DEX=15)
L05: Ro(1)
L06: Ro(2): Two-Weapon Fighting
L07: Ro(3): Ro: (Uncanny Dodge I)
L08: F(3): DEX+1, (DEX=16)
L09: F(4): Blind Fight, Weapon Specialization: Kama
L10: M(3)
L11: M(4)
L12: M(5): INT+1, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, (INT=15)
L13: M(6): M: (Knockdown, Improved Knockdown)
L14: M(7)
L15: M(8): Improved Critical: Kama
L16: M(9): DEX+1, M: (Improved Evasion), (DEX=17)
L17: M(10): M: (KI Strike +1)
L18: M(11): Mobility, M: (Diamond Soul)
L19: Ro(4)
L20: F(5): DEX+1, (DEX=18)
L21: Ro(5): Great Dexterity I, (DEX=19)
L22: F(6): Epic Weapon Focus: Kama
L23: Ro(6)
L24: Ro(7): DEX+1, Great Dexterity II, (DEX=21)
L25: F(7)
L26: F(8): Epic Weapon Specialization: Kama
L27: Ro(8): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=22)
L28: Ro(9): DEX+1, (DEX=23)
L29: F(9)
L30: F(10): Great Dexterity IV, Epic Prowess, (DEX=24)
L31: M(12): M: (Diamond Body)
L32: M(13): DEX+1, M: (KI Strike +2), (DEX=25)
L33: Ro(10): Epic Dodge, Defensive Roll
L34: M(14)
L35: M(15)
L36: M(16): DEX+1, Armor Skin, M: (KI Strike +3), (DEX=26)
L37: M(17)
L38: M(18)
L39: M(19): Great Dexterity V, (DEX=27)
L40: M(20): DEX+1, (DEX=28)

TM I don't know what's your thing with Kamas, TM, but if I were going with 20 Monk levels anyway, I would use fists. Each to his own.
Quote: Posted 01/11/06 17:18:29 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ

I don't know what's your thing with Kamas, TM, but if I were going with 20 Monk levels anyway, I would use fists. Each to his own.

Check the original post:

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I'm in need of some help for a Kama monk build.

It needs at least 20 monk lvls, and more is appreciated.

It needs a full 16 AB and Ï'm definately thinking of FTR as a reference, so the skills and dmg with kama is easily enhanced.

Duel wielding as a must as well.

and other things like 15 int at some point is needed due to the server I'm playing has a portal system that needs you to have 15 int.

it is a dexxer, and 15 dex is also needed to start with.
Basicly I just wanted something I could work with, because I'm open to suggestions. I might add that PM, RDD, CoT and wiz/sorc is out of the qustion.

Other than that I would be pleased with some feedback

He specified dual-wielding kamas, and that's what I gave him. I don't normally build monks with 15 int, either, but again that's what he specified.

For high level monk builds, I tend to prefer unarmed as well, but he didn't ask for my favorite build, he asked for one with those requirements.

TM

Edited By Tattoed Monk on 01/11/06 18:37

Oh, . Perhaps I should query the OP then I don't think it makes sense to make a 20th level Kama Monk. But if that's the rules on his server, it's different, of course.

Sorry to put the blame on you, TM