I am having trouble with a rogue assassin SD that uses a rapier and a type of shield (type doesn't matter) but if possible can someone help me create the nastiest dexer that can stand up openly to a hard hitting melee build without HAVING to use HiPS? I would like that alot, thank you
i'm talking weapon finesse and 70 something AC with shadow evade, etc etc?
70 something AC for a dexer with your classes? Sorry, not possible. With magical equipment it should be very possible. Give us some info on what kind of equipment availible. cloth armor, shield of what pluses? How high magic on ammy of nat armor etc.
How do you want your class split? SD for HiPS or a useful Evade, which will affect your death attack etc.
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Not to mention that the strength of a Rogue Assasin SD is NOT to stand toe to toe with a Fighter build, it is to hit from the shadows and get that sneak/death attack. Then HIPS or run like hell to go back into the shadows to strike again.
This is a build I was toying around with, it's an halfling though. Change it for elf at the cost of -1 AB, -1 AC, -1 ST to go rapier and shield. Death attack DC 39, not bad IMO. It does somehow rely on HiPS together with ED, plus concealment from II. It's anyhow easy to get SCV if you want to, so you are much less dependant on HiPS: drop AS, EP. Epic will and the last 2 Gr.DEX for the 5 SC feats. You lose -2 AB, -3 AC, -1 ref save to get 50% permanent concealment (remember anyhow you've got already II from assassin so I'm not sure you wanna go this route...yes I know SC5 is undispellable). I didn't fully flesh out the build so if there's something seemingly odd, just fix it.
01: Disable Trap(4), Hide(4), Move Silently(4), Open Lock(4), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spellcraft(2), Spot(1), Tumble(4), UMD(4), Save(13), 02: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(2), 03: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1), Save(2), 04: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(1), Save(3), 05: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(1), Save(3), 06: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(1), 07: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(1), 08: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), UMD(5), 09: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), 10: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), 11: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), 12: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(5), 13: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), UMD(5), 14: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Save(4), 15: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spellcraft(5), Spot(1), 16: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Save(4), 17: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(5), 18: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), UMD(5), 19: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Save(4), 20: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Save(5), 21: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Spot(1), Save(6), 22: Disable Trap(2), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(2), Set Trap(1), Spellcraft(5), Spot(1), Tumble(5), 23: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), UMD(5), 24: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Save(5), 25: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Open Lock(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Save(1), 26: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Save(2), 27: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(5), 28: Disable Trap(1), Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), UMD(5), 29: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Save(3), 30: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Save(3), 31: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Set Trap(1), Spellcraft(5), Spot(1), 32: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Set Trap(1), Spot(1), Tumble(5), 33: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Spot(1), Save(4), 34: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Spot(1), UMD(5), 35: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Spot(1), Save(4), 36: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Spot(1), Save(4), 37: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Spot(1), Tumble(5), 38: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Spot(1), UMD(5), 39: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Spot(1), Save(4), 40: Hide(1), Move Silently(1), Spot(4), Save(1)
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Edited By Kail Pendragon on 12/29/05 18:37
Just one thing to note, I know everyone want to take SD at lvl 21 to preserve BAB, but if you are to solo much of your career, take SD at earliest opportunity. You lose 1 BAB, but it gets much more playable. If you are not soloing it isn't that necessary.
i'm talking weapon finesse and 70 something AC with shadow evade, etc etc? 
70 something AC for a dexer with your classes? Sorry, not possible. With magical equipment it should be very possible. Give us some info on what kind of equipment availible. cloth armor, shield of what pluses? How high magic on ammy of nat armor etc.