greetings all

I am on the lookout for a really good melee build. main things i am looking for are as follows.

1) highest possible ab.
2) high hp
3) dev crit
4) umd if possible

needs to be playable from lvl 1-40 but if it takes forever to level thats fine as i am a patient person

I have used the search engine and seen numerous really good builds but am not too sure what classes i should even be looking at.

on the server where i play it is really not worthwile taking kd and disarm so those can be ignored if possible.

any and all assistance would be greatly appreciated

FP A quick build without UMD but with decent saves, will apart (it gets decent vs spells tough). Choose your weapon, I might suggest warhammer or battleaxe if you wanna have higher AC (+3 with a mundane tower shield), greatsword or greataxe if you wanna have higher damage output (+18 DMG vs +12 DMG from STR).

Fighter(6), Champion of Torm(6), Weapon Master(28),
Dwarf, any non evil alignment
PvM, PvP playable 1-40

STR: 17 (34)
DEX: 13
CON: 16
WIS: 8
INT: 14
CHA: 6

Hitpoints: 580
Skillpoints: 172
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 28/18/27 (+6 vs spells, +2 vs poison)
BAB: 30
AB (max, naked): 53 (melee), 32 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 17/28
Devastating Critical DC=42 (48 with capped STR)

Discipline 43(55), Intimidate 4(2), Spellcraft 18(20), Spot 43(42), Tumble 20(21), 2 points leftover


01: Fighter(1): Weapon Focus, Dodge
02: Fighter(2): Expertise
03: Fighter(3): Mobility
04: Fighter(4): STR+1, Weapon Specialization, (STR=18)
05: Fighter(5)
06: Fighter(6): Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack
07: Weapon Master(1): Weapon of Choice
08: Weapon Master(2): STR+1, (STR=19)
09: Weapon Master(3): Improved Critical
10: Weapon Master(4)
11: Weapon Master(5)
12: Weapon Master(6): STR+1, Blind Fight, (STR=20)
13: Weapon Master(7)
14: Weapon Master(8)
15: Weapon Master(9): Power Attack
16: Weapon Master(10): STR+1, (STR=21)
17: Champion of Torm(1)
18: Champion of Torm(2): Toughness, Cleave
19: Champion of Torm(3): CT: (Smite Evil)
20: Champion of Torm(4): STR+1, Great Cleave, (STR=22)
21: Weapon Master(11): Great Strength I, (STR=23)
22: Weapon Master(12)
23: Weapon Master(13): Epic Weapon Focus
24: Champion of Torm(5): STR+1, Great Strength II, (STR=25)
25: Champion of Torm(6): Epic Weapon Specialization
26: Weapon Master(14)
27: Weapon Master(15): Great Strength III, (STR=26)
28: Weapon Master(16): STR+1, Overwhelming Critical, (STR=27)
29: Weapon Master(17)
30: Weapon Master(18): Great Strength IV, (STR=28)
31: Weapon Master(19): Devastating Critical
32: Weapon Master(20): STR+1, (STR=29)
33: Weapon Master(21): Great Strength V, (STR=30)
34: Weapon Master(22): Armor Skin
35: Weapon Master(23)
36: Weapon Master(24): STR+1, Great Strength VI, (STR=32)
37: Weapon Master(25): Epic Prowess
38: Weapon Master(26)
39: Weapon Master(27): Great Strength VII, (STR=33)
40: Weapon Master(28): STR+1, Epic Toughness I, (STR=34)

PS: ov.crit. and dev.crit. can be taken before by delaying EWF/EWS

Cheers,
Kail
_________________
Dilegua notte
Tramontate stelle
Tramontate stelle
All'alba vinceṛ
Vinceṛ
Vinceṛ

Edited By Kail Pendragon on 01/07/06 17:44

Quote: Posted 01/07/06 09:27:02 (GMT) -- friedpiggy

1) highest possible ab.
2) high hp
3) dev crit
4) umd if possible

needs to be playable from lvl 1-40 but if it takes forever to level thats fine as i am a patient person

I have used the search engine and seen numerous really good builds but am not too sure what classes i should even be looking at.

Bard/rdd10/wm22. This will not give you the "highest possible ab" cuz your bab will only be 16 preepic (due to havin to take wm so late).

hope that helps Thank thee kindly. I have started on the fgt/cot/wm one and will see how it turns out. looks awesome on paper though

FP
Quote: Posted 01/08/06 04:34:08 (GMT) -- avado

Bard/rdd10/wm22. This will not give you the "highest possible ab" cuz your bab will only be 16 preepic (due to havin to take wm so late).

hope that helps

I tried that route too. You end up with:
AB 49
AC 25/33
STR 38
Dev.Crit. DC: 44
UMD, spellcraft, tumble, taunt as class skills.
Bard song makes up for 2 of the 4 lost AB and you've got some nice spells to use too. Even tough you've got higher STR you have a lower dmg output since you lose WS/EWS. Also you are quite tight on feats without FTR/CoT. A different build from the FTR/CoT/WM which is pure melee, might be worth considering. Here we go:

Bard(8), Red Dragon Disciple(10), Weapon Master(22), Human, any non-lawful alignment
PvM playable 1-40

STR: 16 (38)
DEX: 13
CON: 14 (16)
WIS: 8
INT: 14 (16)
CHA: 11 (13)

Hitpoints: 472
Skillpoints: 256
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 23/22/23 (+9 vs spells)
BAB: 26
AB (max, naked): 49 (melee), 28 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 25/33
Spell Casting: Bard(3)


Discipline 43(57), Heal 33(32), Intimidate 4(5), Lore 8(19), Spellcraft 42(45), Taunt 43(44), Tumble 40(41), UMD 39(40)



01: Bard(1): Dodge, Expertise
02: Bard(2)
03: Bard(3): Weapon Focus
04: Bard(4): STR+1, (STR=17)
05: Bard(5)
06: Red Dragon Disciple(1): Mobility
07: Red Dragon Disciple(2): (STR=19)
08: Red Dragon Disciple(3): STR+1, (STR=20)
09: Red Dragon Disciple(4): Spring Attack, (STR=22)
10: Red Dragon Disciple(5)
11: Red Dragon Disciple(6)
12: Red Dragon Disciple(7): STR+1, Whirlwind Attack, (STR=23), (CON=16)
13: Red Dragon Disciple(8)
14: Weapon Master(1): Weapon of Choice
15: Weapon Master(2): Power Attack
16: Weapon Master(3): STR+1, (STR=24)
17: Bard(6)
18: Weapon Master(4): Cleave
19: Weapon Master(5)
20: Weapon Master(6): STR+1, (STR=25)
21: Red Dragon Disciple(9): Great Cleave, (INT=16)
22: Red Dragon Disciple(10): RDD: (Darkvision), (STR=29), (CHA=13)
23: Weapon Master(7)
24: Weapon Master(8): STR+1, Improved Critical, (STR=30)
25: Weapon Master(9)
26: Weapon Master(10)
27: Weapon Master(11): Overwhelming Critical
28: Weapon Master(12): STR+1, (STR=31)
29: Weapon Master(13): Devastating Critical
30: Weapon Master(14): Great Strength I, (STR=32)
31: Weapon Master(15)
32: Weapon Master(16): STR+1, Epic Weapon Focus, (STR=33)
33: Bard(7): Great Strength II, (STR=34)
34: Weapon Master(17)
35: Weapon Master(18)
36: Weapon Master(19): STR+1, Great Strength III, Armor Skin, (STR=36)
37: Weapon Master(20)
38: Weapon Master(21)
39: Weapon Master(22): Great Strength IV, Epic Prowess, (STR=37)
40: Bard(8): STR+1, (STR=38)

Cheers,
Kail
_________________
Dilegua notte
Tramontate stelle
Tramontate stelle
All'alba vinceṛ
Vinceṛ
Vinceṛ

Edited By Kail Pendragon on 01/08/06 11:34

just a question. and it might be a silly one since what i know about good builds is horrid.

would it not be better to got fighter / wm than to throw in a third class as well? i mean that way i could end up with something like fighter 6 wm 34 or so. just asking. saves arent overly important as on my server you can get immunity to almost everything.

also i went with greatsword as the subrace i am using treats it as a one handed weapon ( plus it just looks cool holding one in one hand )

FP Here's the cheesey version of the first build. Drop CoT, go FTR 11 (to get EWS in epic) and take a late Bard lvl to max out spellcraft (+4 saves vs spells), tumble (+4 AC) and UMD. Adjust starting stats, since you'll be using one Great STR slot to grab EWS and therefore would end with -1 STR. DEX up to 14 (+1 ref save), WIS to 10 (+1 will save), STR reduced to 16 to end on an even number. Put 5 points into perform to use 1 song a day to make up for lost AB and damage for 10 rounds. Saves do suffer, but you compensate by getting a further +4 vs spells. Taunt is a bard class skill but you haven't got the points to make it effective, unless you drop discipline, which you might consider since you told KD is not worth it...I guess you have easy access to items with KD immunuty. If it is so, then drop discipline and max taunt on your bard lvl.
Here we go:

Fighter(11), Bard(1), Weapon Master(28)
Dwarf, any non lawful alignment
PvP, PvP playable 1-40

STR: 16 (32)
DEX: 14
CON: 16
WIS: 10
INT: 14
CHA: 6

Hitpoints: 576
Skillpoints: 174
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 23/16/22 (+10 vs spells)
BAB: 30
AB (max, naked): 52 (melee), 33 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 22/32


Discipline 41(52), Intimidate 4(2), Perform 5(3), Spellcraft 38(40), Tumble 40(42), UMD 42(40), no points leftover.

01: Fighter(1): Weapon Focus, Dodge
02: Fighter(2): Expertise
03: Fighter(3): Mobility
04: Fighter(4): STR+1, Weapon Specialization, (STR=17)
05: Fighter(5)
06: Fighter(6): Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack
07: Weapon Master(1): Weapon of Choice
08: Weapon Master(2): STR+1, (STR=18)
09: Weapon Master(3): Improved Critical
10: Weapon Master(4)
11: Weapon Master(5)
12: Weapon Master(6): STR+1, Blind Fight, (STR=19)
13: Weapon Master(7)
14: Weapon Master(8)
15: Weapon Master(9): Power Attack
16: Weapon Master(10): STR+1, (STR=20)
17: Fighter(7)
18: Fighter(8): Toughness, Cleave
19: Fighter(9)
20: Fighter(10): STR+1, Great Cleave, (STR=21)
21: Weapon Master(11): Great Strength I, (STR=22)
22: Weapon Master(12)
23: Weapon Master(13): Epic Weapon Focus
24: Fighter(11): STR+1, Epic Weapon Specialization, (STR=23)
25: Weapon Master(14)
26: Weapon Master(15)
27: Weapon Master(16): Great Strength II, Overwhelming Critical, (STR=24)
28: Weapon Master(17): STR+1, (STR=25)
29: Weapon Master(18)
30: Weapon Master(19): Great Strength III, Devastating Critical, (STR=26)
31: Weapon Master(20)
32: Weapon Master(21): STR+1, (STR=27)
33: Weapon Master(22): Great Strength IV, Armor Skin, (STR=28)
34: Weapon Master(23)
35: Weapon Master(24)
36: Weapon Master(25): STR+1, Great Strength V, Epic Prowess, (STR=30)
37: Weapon Master(26)
38: Weapon Master(27)
39: Bard(1): Great Strength VI, (STR=31)
40: Weapon Master(28): STR+1, Epic Toughness I, (STR=32)


Cheers,
Kail
_________________
Dilegua notte
Tramontate stelle
Tramontate stelle
All'alba vinceṛ
Vinceṛ
Vinceṛ
Quote: Posted 01/08/06 13:32:31 (GMT) -- friedpiggy

just a question. and it might be a silly one since what i know about good builds is horrid.

would it not be better to got fighter / wm than to throw in a third class as well? i mean that way i could end up with something like fighter 6 wm 34 or so. just asking. saves arent overly important as on my server you can get immunity to almost everything.

also i went with greatsword as the subrace i am using treats it as a one handed weapon ( plus it just looks cool holding one in one hand )

FP

WM, as all prestige classes, caps at 30th lvl. Lvl 28 is the last lvl where you get +1 AB with WoC and a bonus feat so no use going past that (apart two more ki damages a day but you've got plenty already). Besides CoT (or FTR) give you bonus feats you need to get everything you want to get in the build.


If saves are not important than use the cheesey build with 1 bard lvl. Or even 1 rogue since I think you won't be maxing spellcraft either given the easy access to immunities. By going rogue you lose taunt, but you get set traps, which is a strategically useful skill.

Greatsword in one hand... are you a half-giant maybe?

Cheers,
Kail
_________________
Dilegua notte
Tramontate stelle
Tramontate stelle
All'alba vinceṛ
Vinceṛ
Vinceṛ doh. forgot completely about the prestige cap at 30. hmm the ftr/cot/wm way looks about the best then. thanks again for the help.

am an ogre mage. plus the subrace gives some nice stat bonuses as well. +4 str +4 con +2 wis +2 cha +6 int and regen +5 all this at an ecl of 5 (ugh) makes levelling after 35 very slow but its worth it in the long run. so basically i am running around as this giant blue dude with one huge sword and a tower shield and pummeling the living daylights out of things. nice ECL 5!!! Ouch!That hurts...
I don't think I wanna meet you as an enemy though, I'd get more hurt than you do with that ECL