I am looking for a build with three classes with a decent attack and AC. I want him to wield a long and short sword to make it more rp believeable.
Idealy I would think it would have to be a Fighter/WM/Monk build so as to get a decent AC. I realize that going ranger I will get the required Two weapon feats for free but I will miss out on other things. The best I came up with so far was a Fighter 10, Weaponmaster 22, and CoT level 8. I miss out on 4 AC from tumble with this and all of my shield AC if I decide to dual wield. But I have the advantages of using a shield and improved save throws. Also I get a lot of feats and a very good strength bonus.
So I guess I am looking for a good Build with Fighter WM and Monk to off set the loss of shield AC. Also not taking Monk until epic so as to avoid losing an AB point. Also I want him strength based so as to get Dev crit with both.
Alright i think I rambled enough. Thanks for you time
Tal.
Edited By TalionRev on 03/06/06 18:38
Here, I found two WM builds that focus on two different weapons:
Harper's Vengeance by the Cinnabar Din
and
Trollborn Asgardian by the master of the Norse legends, Grimnir himself!
There may be more, keep on looking. _________________ The world is grey, the mountain's old The forge's fire is ashen and cold No harp is wrung, no hammer falls The darkness dwells in Druin's halls...
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Begging your pardon, sir, for I had completely forgotten you requested a dual-wielding build by the time I started writing my post. _________________ The world is grey, the mountain's old The forge's fire is ashen and cold No harp is wrung, no hammer falls The darkness dwells in Druin's halls...
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No problem, I figured one out abotu 10 minutes after the post i will try to post it when I get the chance. Thanks though
Tal
May I ask a question? Why do you want to use Monk? If you will be wielding either long and shortswords, or longsword and shield, and presumably wearing heavy armor, is it just for the Tumble dump?
If so, may I suggest instead taking either 2 levels of Rogue (gets you Tumble dumps, UMD dumps, and evasion), or a level or two of Bard (Tumble, UMD, weak song and can use all scrolls).
If you planned on using Kamas to get the Monk Unarmed Attack Progresion, I would say to go with monk, but wearing armor and using swords means the only things you gain from Monk are Cleave (and you have enough fighter levels to take that anyway), Evasion (can get from 2 levels of Rogue), and the Tumble dump.
The other thing I suggest is picking just 1 light weapon to dual-wield. Use 2 shortswords instead of longsword and shortsword. That way you can easily switch between single-wielding or dial-wielding, and you only need to invest in 1 set of feats for WF, WS, WoC, EWF, EWS, IC, OC, DC. Trying to get all of those for 2 weapons will chew up a LOT of feats....
If you do want to have 2 weapons, I recommend making one a single-handed high-threat range weapon (Scim or Rapier), and taking all 8 feats. Make the other a 2-handed weapon for use against crit-resistant mobs, and skip IC, OC, and DC. That way the 1.5x str bonus will make up for the lack of crits. You also skip the TWF feats that way, but with 2 sets of weapons to max out you won't really have room for them anyway.
TM
Hmm thanks for the post. You have a very good point there with using the two handed weapon as the second weapon. That would be a really good idea, but I was also thinking of it for rp reasons. The reason I would be going monk is so that I wouldn't need to wear heavy armor. The wisdom would make up for the lack of Heavy armor AC and the dex would make up for the shield, also allowing me to dual wield with 6 attacks a round. With this build though you could save some feats and use a Double axe or sword and get the same result.
Hmm thanks for the post. You have a very good point there with using the two handed weapon as the second weapon. That would be a really good idea, but I was also thinking of it for rp reasons. The reason I would be going monk is so that I wouldn't need to wear heavy armor. The wisdom would make up for the lack of Heavy armor AC
You'd need a WIS of 26 to equal the heavy armor (minus 2 points for every 5 Monk levels, which gives +1 AC). If you ever picked up a shield, you'd lose all that Monk AC as well. _________________ Captain's Log, Stardate 6051: had trouble sleeping last night... my hiatal hernia is acting up. The ship is... drafty and damp; I complain but... nobody listens.
Hmm thanks for the post. You have a very good point there with using the two handed weapon as the second weapon. That would be a really good idea, but I was also thinking of it for rp reasons. The reason I would be going monk is so that I wouldn't need to wear heavy armor. The wisdom would make up for the lack of Heavy armor AC and the dex would make up for the shield, also allowing me to dual wield with 6 attacks a round. With this build though you could save some feats and use a Double axe or sword and get the same result.
You dual wield with 8 att/round with monk if using kamas. Add flurry of blows and haste and it becomes 10/round.
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Quote: You dual wield with 8 att/round with monk if using kamas. Add flurry of blows and haste and it becomes 10/round.
Heh, as I was reading the replies I thought I might be able to say that, I can't believe so many posts didn't mentioned it.
That's not just it, kama monk AB goes down by 3 when all others go down by 5 (did I made sense?), meaning, a kama monk AB would go for example +30/+27/+24/+21/+18/+15, while another weapon AB would go +30/+25/+20/+15, so the AB is sustantially higher too.
And for all that, only 1 monk level is needed, although some more might be good, depends on what your build ends like.
You dual wield with 8 att/round with monk if using kamas. Add flurry of blows and haste and it becomes 10/round.
Cheers, Kail
I hope they will remove the monk/multiclass attack progression exploit in NwN 2.... _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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You dual wield with 8 att/round with monk if using kamas. Add flurry of blows and haste and it becomes 10/round.
Cheers, Kail
I hope they will remove the monk/multiclass attack progression exploit in NwN 2....
Is that an exploit? How does it work in PnP? (I played 2nd ed., 3.0 or 3.5 are often a mystery to me) _________________ To hear the sound of Freedom, many gave their lives They fought for you and me Those memories will always live inside us, and now it's our time to be free
I'm sorry if this is an inappropriate place to ask this, but what is PnP?
Also, I'm partial to dual-wielding too, but wish there was a way to do scimitars better...they look so cool, but no 10 att/rd, no small weapon for off hand, so more to hit penalties...don't think the better crit range or coolness factors can make up for the disadvantages. Please change my mind;)
PnP is Paper 'n Pencil - or the original D&D. NWN is based on D&D version 3.0, but sort of loosely based (they made a number of changes to make it easier for them to turn into a computer game). One of those changes is that being a monk simply applies the monk attack progression to your normal BAB. In PnP, monks have a separate Flurry of Blows BAB that is based on monk levels only (levels in other classes do not add to it, except a few prestige classes specifically for monks).
Also, about dual-wielding - note that the 6 attacks per round (7 hasted) can be had with any class combination, monk does not increase it with weapons other than kamas. With kamas it goes up to 9 (10 hasted).
So again, for that first build, if you take monk I would dual-wield kamas to get the best use out of the class. If you aren't going to use kamas, I would take Rogue or Bard as the 3rd class, and wear heavy armor (it was already noted that the Wisdom is unlikely to make up for the armor in this build). And for any build, I would probably dual-wield the same weapon in both hands, or use a double weapon, rather than take all the feats for 2 weapons.
About the Scim question - if you want to dual-wield something with an extended crit range, use Kukris. Scim's have a larger penalty, as you noticed.
Is that an exploit? How does it work in PnP? (I played 2nd ed., 3.0 or 3.5 are often a mystery to me)
In PnP, as TM correctly says, the monk unarmed(or monk weapon) attack progression does not stack with other BAB than the on gained from monk BAB. So if you are at lvl 20 as monk8/fighter12 your monk-weapon/unarmed BAB progression would be like this: +6/+3. Sad, eh. But those 6 BAB do stack with fighter BAB for other weapons too. Eh, with monk weapons too, you can use a kama at +18/+13/+8/+3 of course. You can't go back to taking monk levels again after you level up in another class either. Same goes for Paladin, you leave it, no coming back. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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You can't go back to taking monk levels again after you level up in another class either. Same goes for Paladin, you leave it, no coming back.
Again, except for certain prestige classes. Tattoed Monk, Drunken Master, Sacred Fist, Henshin Mystic can all multiclass freely with Monk, as can Kensai. Kensai can also multiclass freely with Paladin, although it is much more worthwhile for monks (PnP does not have any monk gloves in it, and Kensai allows the monk to sacrifice some XP to enchant their hands....).
TM
Grim, Tattoed Monk, thanks for the clarification. I guess one of these days I'll go and grab the 3.5 books and read them carefully. The task alone seems overwhelming though
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This was from the 3.0 rules, as that is what NwN is. 3.5 is only slightly different though, you'll find out with NwN 2.
And you're welcome. _________________ I see the fear you have inside, you can run but never hide. I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
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Begging your pardon, sir, for I had completely forgotten you requested a dual-wielding build by the time I started writing my post.
