As the name implies, I am now looking for an Assasin-Type Character, for PVP.

I may ask for a level 40 build later, but currently, I require one fitting a level 30 cap. The server is low magic, count on nothing higher than +2 Weapons or Armour, Haste is ~NOT~ on any item, there are no item-granted immunities to anything, and oh no...Shadowdancer is dissalowed!!

It is also relitively difficult to level up on this server so playability may be an option, but I have alot of fortitude when it comes to putting up with **** characters if the end result is worth it.

My two concerns are AB and AC. I am failry incompetent when it comes to this stuff so I dont know how to get an AB over 30-35, and that may be an issue, so if anyone can give me an assasin build with decent AB, that would be good. Also, due to the very same incompetence, I dont know how to get a good AC either, the highest I have gotten is around 35-40 but I would like something higher.

I am willing to be any race, though half-elf and human are my favourite for RP reasons...though a full elf is alright as well. No midgets!

So to recap everything: Low magic items, nothing beyond +2 and with no item-granted immunities. No Shadowdancer or HiPS. No midget races. 30 Levels. I like decent AB and good AC. No haste from items, except for which I need UMD. The builds playability is not necisary. Okay, just checking: what do you think is decent AB/AC for a level 30 character? Note, unbuffed.
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"And one calculates time from the dies nefastus on which this fatality arose – from the first day of Christianity! – Why not rather from its last? – From today? – Revaluation of all values!" In such a low magic server, dexers may have it rough, considering that any spellcaster can blast them out of the water. While this is always true, it tends to be even more pronounced when pressented in these harsh environments. My thought is that you may do better with a strength-based approach and compensate your stealth skills with feats instead of Dex.

Nevertheless, here is a dex-based approach that actually takes a strength approach to make him tough as nails in the early part of his career, and yet still allows for operational flexibility. He gradually morphs into a true dexer, and his 16str and WS/EWS allow for solid hitting power. He is nearly pure Assassin (only one level removed), and his DA DC is about as high as it can be without cannibalizing stats.

However, he has little defenses against the arcane and divine(other than Evasion). You should get enough skill points to crossclass Spellcraft, which I highly suggest. Anything Will-based is anathema. Good luck.

Fighter8/Rogue3/Assassin19

Str16
Int14
Wis8
Dex15 (26)
Con14
Chr8

1 Rogue1, Stealthy, TWF
2 Fighter1, Weapon Focus: Shortswords
3 Fighter2, Ambidexterity, Weapon Finesse
4 Fighter3, Dex16
5 Fighter4, Weapon Specialization
6 Rogue2, Knockdown
7 Assassin1
8 Assassin2, Dex17
9 Assassin3, Blindfighting
10 Assassin4
11 Assassin5
12 Assassin6, ITWF, Dex18
13 Assassin7
14 Assassin8
15 Assassin9, Improved Knockdown
16 Assassin10, Dex19
17 Rogue3
18 Fighter5, Toughness
19 Fighter6, Improved Critical
20 Fighter7, Dex20
21 Fighter8, EWF, EWS: Shortswords
22 Assassin11
23 Assassin12
24 Assassin13, Epic Prowess, Dex21
25 Assassin14, Great Dex I
26 Assassin15
27 Assassin16, Great Dex II
28 Assassin17, Dex24
29 Assassin18, Great Dex III
30 Assassin19, Great Dex IV

DA DC: 31
AB: 33/28/23/18
Dualwield: 31/26/21/16/31/26
Padded Armor AC: 25

Max HP: 332
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Ariel, Ookla, RIDE! What about saves and AC?

Oh, and I was wondering if anyone had any assasin types that implement bards, as I find it rather interesting RP. Plus, the curse song could come in good handy as well as buffing my weapon to surpass mage defences (Though I dont know how hard it is to make such a build decently with only 30 levels.)

Thanks for any advice you guys can give me. Alright...I have condensed all of my thinking for the day, into a good 7 minutes creating a build. It is rough. It likely sucks. I dont know really.

Bard 15/Assasin 15 (Steps: Bard 14/Assasin 15/Bard 1)

I am ~so~ not going to list all the feats and the order they come in (unless this build actually turns out farely good, then I will post all of it) but I will give the end result of this level 30 build:

Str: 12
Dex: 15 (24)
Con: 12
Int: 14
Wis: 8
Cha: 15

Fort: 12
Will: 15
Ref: 26 (Evasion? I dont even know)

AB: 41/36/31/41 (Buffed, without using UMD)
AC: 39 (Buffed but Naked)

Damage: 12-16 (17-20/x2 Critical)...(Buffed, but not including death attack of 7d6, I think)

HP: 200

Oh, and this build has +5 Keen Weapon, thats why I want the 15 bard levels...because that will beat out everyone else on the server using the cream-of-the-crop +2's.

...Meh, Thoughts? Opinions? Advice!

Edited By Zoodleton on 04/19/06 02:53

Last thought for the night: Bard 16/Assassin 14. You get "full" song at least. You won't have stellar AB though and just 3 att/round.

Cheers,
Kail
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Ariel, Ookla, RIDE! Is a Shifter's Kobol Commando's HIPS allowed on the server?

Personally... I think a Druid Assasin mix would be interesting.

Pump Druid up until you get Improved Elemental Form and become an Earth Elemental Assasin.

IKD would be good for this build.

You'd have good DR, and immunities. Size advantage for KD. Fun build to RP along the way.

Might add a level of Monk for some Wisdom AC.

You won't need to pump up Str or Dex, you can put 20 into Wis and have the rest for Int.

Start with more Int than Wis during level up for extra skill points.

If you are interested in this concept, I can build up a lvl 30 for you.

During level up you could use your Druid spells or go for Animal Form hunting. Keeping the Earth Elemetal Assasin as your target form.


(personally... I think a Druid/Shifter/Assasin would be best. You'd get +5 Weapons with your epic forms and lots of Good DR.) I just finished playing a Shifting type...infact it was a Dragonshaper that Kail helped me with

I dont really feel like playing another shifting type for a while, but thanks for the suggestion.

Out of curiousity what is a satisfactory death attack DC, and what would my assasin level have to be to achieve it? Ehm

Look for a post in this topic made by someone or other named grizzled_dwarflord. Then take a look at that post, see if you can find anything with "assassin" or "death attack" or something like that in that post.
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It doesnt answer my question though. He says 31 is pretty good but does it have to be that high? Should it be higher? I dont know these things and I dont know how many assasin levels it takes to have such a high DC. Meh...I guess I'll read up on assasins for the greater details, but I would still like to know what a good DC is for a low-magic, level 30 server. Its a fort save I guess, so what is the average Fort of a decent character? It would make most sense to try and revolve my DC around what my targets might have.

And I am still waiting to hear a Bardic Assasin type if anyone has one...much apreciated. Death Attack DC = 10 + Assassin level + Int mod

Fort save of a level 30 fighter: 17 + Con mod + feats + items

Note that it could be higher if he multiclasses pre-epic with another class with high Fort saves. I would expect a typical fighter type to have a Fort save at least in the low- to mid- 20's, higher if they have CoT levels or went for high Con. If they pick save-boosting items and wear boots of Striding, it could reach 30+.

Rogues and spellcasters will be considerably lower, of course.

So if you want your Death Attack to be effective on fighter types, you want to max it out and boost Int as much as possible with items.

TM The NWNWIki is a great resource, check out what it says about death attack here

In particular DA DC = 10 + Assasin lvl + INT mod , Fort save.

A DC of 31 is good at 30th lvl, just don't expect it to paralyze a Paladin/CoT/Blackguard

A 8/8/4 preepic split with classes which have fort as high save will net you Fort 16 at 20th lvl, 21 at 30th. Add in CON modifier, boni from feats(Great Fortitude, Epic Fortitude, Strong Soul, LoH) and class (Paladin, Blackguard, CoT) and 30 is not that far away (or even behind for high saves builds). Against a well built fort type it won't work that often.

For a class split suggestion, try Bard 6/FTR 6/Assassin 18, you'll miss EWS though if you want to keep 4 att/round.

Cheers,
Kail
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Quote: Posted 04/19/06 02:45:45 (GMT) -- Zoodleton

Oh, and this build has +5 Keen Weapon, thats why I want the 15 bard levels...because that will beat out everyone else on the server using the cream-of-the-crop +2's.

...Meh, Thoughts? Opinions? Advice!

Just some advice. I dont know the server you play on, but when a builder goes out of his way to limit the enchantments to +2, they usually dont make the mistake of leaving gmw as it is! I have seen gmw "tweaked" to make it a realative pain in the arse! So just because you used a leveler and got bard to 15 to get +5, it would be a serious error to build your character around this. If I'm right (and I have no way of knowing for sure), the builder of your server would more than likely either limit the +for divine damage and gmw to 2, OR like some servers, you get +1/6 lvls of caster class, so a lv 30 bard would give +5! Its a balance thing, which sounds alot like what your server is about. Check it out before you start the bard/assy, then take grizz's advice since he gave you exactly what you asked for.

Peace