Posted 06/16/06 14:26:16 (GMT) -- Kill A Lot A Crap


Ok, I know and expect that I will receive much criticism for using someone elses build and making it my own. However, I love this build (what build has better savings throws and damage potential?)

Ok, so here is the build. The level progressions are the same.

1-19 sorcerer
20 Paladin
21-39 Sorcerer
40 Monk

Starting Stats (Same)
Str: 12
Dex: 12
Con: 14
Int: 14
Wis: 8
Cha: 16

Final Stats (same)
Str: 12
Dex: 12
Con: 14
Int: 14
Wis: 8
Cha: 30 - Increase Charisma with every Attribute Increase.

Skills
Concentration: 43
Listen: 43
CA: 15
CW: 8
Lore: 23
Spellcarft: 42
Tumble: 43

The reason I took out Discipline is because the PW I play in has Knockdown Immunitie items. I added CA and CW because I like to be able to customize my equipment

Ok to the reason for this post. I want to know if the feat selection (in your humble opinion) is a good idea or not.

lvl 1 Expertise / Improved Expertise
lvl 3 Combat Casting
lvl 6 Extend Spell
lvl 9 Empower Spell
lvl 12 Maximize Spell
lvl 15 Quicken Spell
lvl 18 Still Spell
lvl 21 Auto Still Spell I
lvl 24 Auto Still Spell II & III
lvl 27 Auto Quicken Spell I & II
lvl 30 Auto Quicken Spell III & Great Charisma I
lvl 33 Epic Spell (Epic Warding) & Great Charisma II
lvl 36 Epic Spell (Epic Mage Armor) & Great Charisma III
lvl 39 Improved Combat Casting & Great Charisma IV

I am not sure if gaining Auto Quicken is worth losing my Spell Focus, Greater Spell Focus, Epic Spell Focus and Epic Skill Focus Discipline.

Thanks for all the feedback!!! Wow, I certainly do not mean to argue, but this is a build idea. Sure I asked for suggestions but I have seen many do this in other posts. The primary reason however was to post a different take on the exaulted sorcerer. Again, it has been some time since I posted here, mostly because I can't seem to do it right and get corrected by a moderator every time I try. I have many builds because I am an addict, but every time I have tried to use this avenue to get some "serious" support or try to provide a strong build, I get hit by a moderator for not doing something right and then I never get the intended feedback that this was for.

I am probably making someone angry and that is not my intent, but I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO HELP ME!!!

I want to be an active member of this forum and find it difficult to "fit the mold".

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!
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Dezba If you have a completed build that has been tested and is ready for others to play, then you post it in the epic character builds part of the forum. If you want advice on how to improve a build or modify a build, which is what you appear to be asking, then it is posted in this forum. If you want a general rules clarification then it is posted in the general discussion forum.

That said,

Quicken spell is a bit of a waste. If you can get boots of speed it is a complete waste. You can cast an extended haste that lasts 76 rounds, haste has the same effect as quicken spell and the two do not stack.

One possibility might be to take two more paladin levels and grab divine shield pre-epic. With your high charisma, it will really pump up your AC.

You also should really consider grabing the spell foci feats. Your Spell DC is low for a primary caster (20+spell level), many characters with regular saving throws who have maxed out thier spell craft will only fail their saves on a 1 against those spells. You should really consider improving your DCs, even if you will br mostly relying on bigby's hands and IGMS, it is always nice to have a couple of other nukes or death spells up your sleeves.
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Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do. Thank you for your feedback and I am sorry if I seemed too upset, but I LOVE building and this forum, but I have had a very difficult time fitting in. So please accept my appoligy and thanks for the feeback. Practice make perfect I guess...

Ok, so will this work better then? I am concerned by taking any more levels of Paladin because it reduces my sorcerer levels and DCs.

lvl 1 Expertise / Improved Expertise
lvl 3 Combat Casting
lvl 6 Spell Focus Necromancer
lvl 9 Spell Focus Evocation
lvl 12 Greater Spell Focus Necromancer
lvl 15 Greater Spell Focus Evocation
lvl 18 Still Spell
lvl 21 Auto Still Spell I
lvl 24 Auto Still Spell II & III
lvl 27 Epic Spell Focus (Necromancer & Evocation)
lvl 30 Epic Spell (Epic Mage Armor) Great Charisma I
lvl 33 Epic Spell (Epic Warding) & Great Charisma II
lvl 36 Epic Spell (Epic Hellball) & Great Charisma III
lvl 39 Improved Combat Casting & Great Charisma IV

I didn't know that Haste did the same as Auto Quicken. Thanks for the info.
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Dezba I agree on dropping discipline too, at least if you didn't plan on taking Epic Skill focus: discipline.
Your DC won't suffer from Paladin levels.

Spell DC= 10 + CHA-modifier + Spell-level + focus feats.

With a 30 CHA and Epic spell foci your DC's are decent, but not totally "up there".

As for who that has better saves than this build, I can list a couple of hundred builds. But they are still way better than a pure sorcerers saves. I would take divine shield anyhow, and perhaps switch Hellball with Greater Ruin. GR ignores SR and it won't be blocked so easily. Energy buffer f.ex. totally stops Hellball.
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Quote: Posted 06/16/06 15:27:47 (GMT) -- Kill A Lot A Crap

Wow, I certainly do not mean to argue, but this is a build idea. Sure I asked for suggestions but I have seen many do this in other posts. The primary reason however was to post a different take on the exaulted sorcerer. Again, it has been some time since I posted here, mostly because I can't seem to do it right and get corrected by a moderator every time I try. I have many builds because I am an addict, but every time I have tried to use this avenue to get some "serious" support or try to provide a strong build, I get hit by a moderator for not doing something right and then I never get the intended feedback that this was for.

I am probably making someone angry and that is not my intent, but I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO HELP ME!!!

I want to be an active member of this forum and find it difficult to "fit the mold".

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Since it has been some time since you last posted here, rules might well have changed in the meanwhile. Let me clarify a few points.

Being a build idea , it actually belongs in this forum.

Untested and/or not yet finished builds belong here too.

Besides, asking advice about a few minor tweaks on an existing (and quite famous) build, definitely belongs here and the same holds true for a complete and tested build which happens to be the same as a previous one a couple of feat choices apart. Which is to say, tweaks also belong here or in the original thread as a suggestion to the OP.


This said, no one here is hitting you. One of the moderators tasks is to lock and /or move misplaced threads, as in this case for the reasons I offered above. Only the post is being hitten, not the poster. Besides, the thread has been indeed moved here, so that feedback and advice could b eoffered by those willing to do so.

To be an active member and "fit the mold" the only things required are a polite attitude and respecting the forum rules. If unsure about the latter, ask a mod. We are here to help


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Cheers,
Kail ok, I formally appoligize for my reaction...I have been undergoing some RL stress that is appearently causing me to react differently to things then I normally would. So again, I am sorry for my reaction.

Thank you for your understanding messages in return it has certainly helped my point of view.

Wow, I think I may need to take a vacation...hehe I look for any excuse for that one.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I would LOVE to see some builds that have better saves.

Quote: Posted 06/16/06 16:31:42 (GMT) -- Grimnir77

I agree on dropping discipline too, at least if you didn't plan on taking Epic Skill focus: discipline.
Your DC won't suffer from Paladin levels.

Spell DC= 10 + CHA-modifier + Spell-level + focus feats.

With a 30 CHA and Epic spell foci your DC's are decent, but not totally "up there".

As for who that has better saves than this build, I can list a couple of hundred builds. But they are still way better than a pure sorcerers saves. I would take divine shield anyhow, and perhaps switch Hellball with Greater Ruin. GR ignores SR and it won't be blocked so easily. Energy buffer f.ex. totally stops Hellball.

Bottom line, I am looking for a Powerhouse PVP character. This one seemed like a decent winner, but I wanted to make it a little more powerful and I thought the Discipline stuff was wasted effort since the PW world I play has immunities to cover this. Without them, I can certainly see the justification and my hat is off to the creator.

I have some very nice builds that kick some serious butt in the PW I play in. However, I am looking for a decent Spellcaster PvP character.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the feedback and I hope I have not made a bad impression.
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Dezba
Quote: Posted 06/16/06 16:01:28 (GMT) -- Mithdradates
Quicken spell is a bit of a waste. If you can get boots of speed it is a complete waste. You can cast an extended haste that lasts 76 rounds, haste has the same effect as quicken spell and the two do not stack.

The improved initiative etc. series of feats, will they have any effect the casting speed of any of the spells you cast (with/without haste or the auto quicken feats)? And will other factors that influence initiative, like a high dex have any effect?
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Edited By Mick Dagger on 06/16/06 19:47

Quote: Posted 06/16/06 19:45:51 (GMT) -- Mick Dagger

Quote: Posted 06/16/06 16:01:28 (GMT) -- Mithdradates
Quicken spell is a bit of a waste. If you can get boots of speed it is a complete waste. You can cast an extended haste that lasts 76 rounds, haste has the same effect as quicken spell and the two do not stack.

The improved initiative etc. series of feats, will they have any effect the casting speed of any of the spells you cast (with/without haste or the auto quicken feats)? And will other factors that influence initiative, like a high dex have any effect?

High DEX and the Initiative feats will add to your initiative check. The result of this is that, while you cannot cast spells any faster, you may be able to get the first spell off in the round (if you win initiative, you get to act first in the round). This may or may not be a factor in you winning the battle.
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Quote: Posted 06/16/06 18:47:52 (GMT) -- Kill A Lot A Crap

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I would LOVE to see some builds that have better saves.

Not a caster build, and probably not even any good for PvP, but my Favored of Moradin biuild has base saves of:

Saves:

Fort: 46
Refl: 40
Will: 37

with +6 on all saves vs spells.
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