Anyone know a kick butt Bard build that doesn't use RDD or PM? A good one for PvP Don't care if it's melee or AA! I'd like it to have max perform also
No one?! ....
That makes me sad.
Heh heh, sometimes that happens, anyway, you ain't saying a thing in there, just Bard and anything else except RDD and PM leaves so much possibilities I can't pick one.
I'm not a heavy Bard builder, I've never maxed Perform on any of my builds but I've read you need a ridiculous CHA to achieve it, and I think it was 30 Bard for the full song (only reason to max Perform), however I'd take a Cleric 20 / Fighter 4 / Bard 16 for a general low environment PvP, but that's not even near maxing Perform, just a good amount of Bard to use its skills, spells and a decent song. Give more information about your PW/server and I might be able to make a full build accordingly.
Hmmm, I know Grizzled_dwarflord and Cinnabar Din have a nice variety of strong Bard builds, you could check them out, or just make a search for Bard and any other class .
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 01/07/07 02:36
Well...Mostly +5 items, faction gear can get higher. Lots of Dev critters of the 12/25/3 type, I'd like a bard that is preferabley a dexer with high AC, high AC to me is over 60. Umm good fort save to defend against dev should I get hit...Maybe I should just use that Slashing Singer bard wm build mantis13 built? I just don't like the damage output
I have 10 Bard builds posted. Half of those use RDD or PM. Here's the other half:
The Spoken Horns Of Desolation (Bard 16 / AA 20 / Paladin 4) -- FinneousPJ Unholy Harper (Bard 16 / BG 19 / HS 5) -- FinneousPJ The Singing Assassin (Bard 16 / Assn 15 / FTR 9) -- FinneousPJ White Light (Bard 16 / Paladin 4 / COT 20) -- FinneousPJ Whisper of the Forest (Ranger 21 / Bard 14 / HS 5) -- FinneousPJ
Note that I don't build for PvP. _________________ "With Europe liberated, the people of the world turned their attention to that old devil, the United States of America [...] We taught that monster of old the true meaning of freedom." Star Wreck
What's a 12/25/3 type?
Oh btw, why is it you don't want RDD or PM, server restriction?
If you want damage output you'll need some STR or sneak attack, you just can't pretend a dexer to make damage out of nowhere. Well, if you want a Dexer, you might want to take 10 SD or 13 Rogue levels as pre-reqs for Epic Dodge, Rogue would give the needed sneak attack, Cleric or Wizard could give a good damage enhance with Darkfire / Flame Weapon, or even Druid for a dragon, which would give you a high AC for PvP, but I'm going too far from a Heavy Bard build... seriously how much Bard would be a minimum here?
Probably FTR/WM/ROG, no? _________________ "With Europe liberated, the people of the world turned their attention to that old devil, the United States of America [...] We taught that monster of old the true meaning of freedom." Star Wreck
That's the one he speaks of for that particular PW, Wheel of Time. They all have dev. crits., etc.
Weird, if they all have dev crit, why don't you want PM? a Cleric 20 / Bard 10 / Pale Master 10 should work cool and you're immune to dev crit.
All right, no PM, you could try a dragon, your Fortitude will be quite high. Or else crazy stuff Paladin/Blackguard/CoT really makes you immune to all saves-related stuff, something like a Paladin 12 / Blackguard 2 / Bard 26 or a variant could be good, your saves will be well enough if you take a decent amount of CHA, might use Divine Might and Divine Shield and a Smite for both good and evil, with a strong song and Lasting Inspiration, etc. AB might not be too bad...
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 01/08/07 00:04
*cough* Vampire Bard *cough*
druid/shifter/bard
(Oh like you guys didn't see this post coming!)
5/10/25 Boost yourself with a song, and curse the ennemy. Then bite to level drain since his saves and ac will be low. Perhaps taunt him too.
Crit immune and regenerating.
Sounds good (or evil) to me!
Quote: Boost yourself with a song, and curse the ennemy. Then bite to level drain since his saves and ac will be low. Perhaps taunt him too.
Not that I didn't expect shifter on your part, but you're actually saying that the build you suggest gets low saves and AC? because at no point it was said what enemies he's against, just that they have Dev Crit could still have lots of CoT and good saves, and Clerics usually get good buffed ACs too.
Again why no RDD or PM? I'm still baffled by that.
Again why no RDD or PM? I'm still baffled by that.
Because of the RP server he is on, you must play an evil character who is of a higher rank in said evil faction to take more then 9 levels of them. And I'd suppose he doesn't want that.
Thax, I was saying that after a Curse song, the ennemy will have a lower save (not by much, but it is lower), which helps with the Gaze attack from the Vampire form.
A 25th level Bard curse will also put a nice dent into an ennemy's skills. Again that will help the Vampire land a hit for his level drain bite. Once level drained, his saves lower a bit too... making the gaze a bit better... (hopefully).
With no RDD* and no PM, a Crit immune build leaves only a few options. Druid in Elemental form, a shifter in Undead/Construct form, a mage in Polymorph (zombie) form... *scratches head*...
*note: I'm not implying that RDD get's immunity to crit.
Bard and Shifter forms go quite well together. You can sing and curse while shifted. The Vampire also has some nice aspects to it that make it unique (Unlike the Risen Lord singer that most people would go for).
Again why no RDD or PM? I'm still baffled by that.
Because of the RP server he is on, you must play an evil character who is of a higher rank in said evil faction to take more then 9 levels of them. And I'd suppose he doesn't want that.
All this to avoid roleplaying on a roleplaying server?
_________________ The curve is more powerful than the sword -- BG courtesan
A few more Bard heavy builds without PM or RDD. Some may suit the mood:
The best of the bunch are the 'Ode to a Lily' and 'Angel of Redemption'. Ode packs slightly more punch, but Angel achieves some impressive saves without equipment/ items.
Both of these achieve an AC of 68 fully buffed in +5 environments btw.
The main problem you will have with these is that they are all STR based rather than DEX, but with no Uncanny Dodge available in any of these mixes, this is a preferred strategy on my part anyway.
BTW.. Happy New Year to all of you.. been away for a bit, but back for a time.
Don't care if it's melee or AA! I'd like it to have max perform also 
Heh heh, sometimes that happens, anyway, you ain't saying a thing in there, just Bard and anything else except RDD and PM leaves so much possibilities I can't pick one.
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