On the server I play on I am now able to use amazing subraces...its a high magic server and I want to use a subrace with +10str and +10 con...But cant decide on a build...I need some suggestions.

I want good Ab
Preferably a weapon master
No dev crit(just not intrested) Great stat boosts!

I would suggest taking RDD as a class. That would really empower you even more.

A good old cleric/bard/rdd would be very nice.

Use 2 handed weapons, the str bonus will be insane.
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Valkos clueless High magical environments, spellcasters are great there.

Anyway, you want a melee, but give some more information, what is it you really want in your build? you say only WM, which can get a lot of varieties, supposing you need AB you could like something heavy on WM, say, a simple Weapon Master 28 / Fighter 6 / Champion of Torm 6 or the like, just pump STR up as much as it can be done and your unbuffed AB will be quite high. Im looking for damage which I why I am thinking weapon master for the crits...So basically I want a fighting machine lol...A pure born to kill raging lunatic who tears everything in front of him apart.

I know that isn't naming any feats but you get the idea.. Well, your description is still very vague, I'll need to know at least if you want it playable or level 40 PvP, but I'll just fetch up a regular WM here for reference, it's untested though.

Dwarf

Stats:
STR 18
DEX 13
CON 14
INT 13
WIS 8
CHA 6

1 Fighter1 - Weapon Focus, Dodge
2 Fighter2 - Expertise
3 Fighter3 - Mobility
4 Fighter4 - STR +1 (19), Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack
5 Fighter5
6 Weapon Master1 - Blind-Fight
7 Weapon Master2
8 Weapon Master3 - STR +1 (20)
9 Weapon Master4 - Improved Critical
10 Weapon Master5
11 Weapon Master6
12 Weapon Master7 - STR +1 (21), Knockdown
13 Weapon Master8
14 Weapon Master9
15 Weapon Master10 - Improved Knockdown
16 Champion of Torm1 - STR +1 (22)
17 Champion of Torm2 - Disarm
18 Champion of Torm3
19 Champion of Torm4 - Improved Disarm
20 Champion of Torm5 - STR +1 (23)
21 Champion of Torm6 - Epic Weapon Focus, Great Strength I (24)
22 Weapon Master11
23 Weapon Master12
24 Fighter6 - STR +1 (25) Weapon Specialization, Epic Weapon Specialization
25 Weapon Master13 - Epic Prowess
26 Weapon Master14
27 Weapon Master15 - Great Strength II (26)
28 Weapon Master16 - STR +1 (27), Armor Skin
29 Weapon Master17
30 Weapon Master18 - Great Strength III (28)
31 Weapon Master19 - Epic Toughness I
32 Weapon Master20 - STR +1 (29)
33 Weapon Master21 - Great Strength IV (30)
34 Weapon Master22 - Epic Toughness II
35 Weapon Master23
36 Weapon Master24 - STR +1 (31), Great Strength V (32)
37 Weapon Master25 - Epic Toughness III
38 Weapon Master26
39 Weapon Master27 - Great Strength VI (33)
40 Weapon Master28 - STR +1 (34), Epic Toughness IV

May like to change Disarm/Improved Disarm for something like Toughness/Called Shot. I'll suppose you use a two handed weapon like a Greatsword.

Skills:
Discipline: 43 (55)
Listen: 43 (42)
Heal: 43 (42)
Tumble: 20

HP: 560
AC (naked/Heavy Armor): 15/23
BAB: 30
AB: +53


You could also go quite good with a Red Dragon Disciple, many variants to consider... tell us another class you like... say, a Ranger 26 / RDD 10 / Bard 4 could be very powerful, or a Bard 8 / RDD 10 / Weapon Master 22 although this one would lack feats.

Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 02/11/07 05:00

For high magic I'd make a DEXer WM with Epic Dodge. Or a Rogue/Bard/RDD with both Dev Crit and ED
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Star Wreck Here's a good WM Epic Dodge build, that's always reliable.

11 Fighter, 19 Weaponmaster, 10 Shadowdancer

Elf, any alignment

10 STR
20 DEX(34)
12 CON
14 INT
8 CHA
8 WIS

All stat raises to DEX

1 Fighter: Dodge, Weapon Finesse
2 Fighter: Mobility
3 Fighter: Weapon Focus: Rapier
4 Fighter: Expertise
5 Fighter:
6 Fighter: Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack (4 intimidate)
7 Weaponmaster:
8 Weaponmaster:
9 Weaponmaster: Imp. Crits: Rapier
10 Weaponmaster:
11 Weaponmaster:
12 Weaponmaster: Great Fortitude
13 Weaponmaster:
14 Weaponmaster:
15 Weaponmaster: Toughness
16 Weaponmaster:
17 Fighter:
18 Fighter: Knockdown, Weapon Spec.
19 Fighter:
20 Fighter: Blindfight
21 Weaponmaster: Great DEX I (10 Hide, 8 MS, 5 tumble)
22 Shadowdancer: (max tumble, H/MS)
23 Weaponmaster:
24 Weaponmaster: Great DEX II, Epic Weapon Focus: Rapier
25 Weaponmaster:
26 Weaponmaster:
27 Weaponmaster: Great DEX III, Armor Skin
28 Shadowdancer:
29 Shadowdancer:
30 Shadowdancer: Epic Fortitude
31 Shadowdancer:
32 Shadowdancer:
33 Fighter: Epic Weapon Spec.: Rapier
34 Shadowdancer:
35 Shadowdancer:
36 Shadowdancer: Great DEX IV,
37 Shadowdancer: (max tumble, H/MS)
38 Weaponmaster:
39 Weaponmaster: Epic Dodge
40 Weaponmaster: Epic Prowess

Don't have the stats off hand, sorry.

I believe it's naked AC in mundane cloth/tower shield is 34, + Epic Dodge, + 4 (Shadow Evade) + 20% concealment (Shadow Evade).

AB is something like 50 with mundane rapier, 13-20 critical range x3.

Again, unsure of the saves. Good fortitude and reflex, and of course it had Slippery Mind feat via SD.

Edited By mantis3 on 02/11/07 20:07

Keep in mind he wants dmg. Dexxers might survive longer, but the dmg is not compareable
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Valkos clueless Ranger 26 / Bard 4 / RDD 10 would deal very high damage, but I've never played on those PWs that have special subraces, not to my liking, and I'm unsure if Favored Enemy works good, since there are more races. The Ranger's Favoured Enemy supposedly works on race, not subrace. I haven't tried it myself, but I've been told that if you're for example a Human with a subrace you're still a Human as far as the game is concerned, and will be dealth with as such by the FE ability.


Now I wonder if, with +10 to both STR and CON (I assume these are hard bonuses, not enchantment bonuses), it's possible to get Dev Crit, EDR, and Epic Dodge... There's something to try. That's definately what I would do in this situation, go for all three abilities. Probably have to take significant levels in fighter or CoT during epics.

STR 16 (+10) = 26 (Dev Crit!)
DEX 14
CON 16 (+10) = 26 (EDR!)
INT 14
WIS 8
CHA 8

30th level
DEX 25

40th
STR 32
DEX 25
CON 26 If I remember correctly that specific PW had a thing for Bards. The song almost had no limits! you could get 7 ac from the song or so. But really, boost that str 2tm! and go EDR. If you do that, then you're a bloody machine. Don't listen to the ED people, they are normally too skinny
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Valkos clueless Heh, i forgot about the subrace boost when I was making that build, it is a nice idea to go for EDR and Dev Crit, but he said no Dev Crit, it might go really well for a heavy Dwarven Defender, since there is no need to increase CON, STR would be high and defense will be covered, anyway... let's see how the Ranger/RDD goes, I consider a two handed weapon.

Human (for no EXP penalty, might be best to go Dwarf if you don't need playability)

Stats:
STR 16 (50)
DEX 10
CON 14 (26)
INT 14
WIS 14
CHA 8

+10 STR and CON

1 Ranger1 - Favored Enemy I, Luck of Heroes
2 Ranger2
3 Ranger3 - Weapon Focus
4 ranger4 - STR +1 (27)
5 Ranger5 - Favored Enemy II
6 Ranger6 - Blind-Fight
7 Ranger7
8 Ranger8 - STR +1 (28)
9 Ranger9 - Improved Critical
10 Ranger10 - Favored Enemy III
11 Ranger11
12 Ranger12 - STR +1 (29), Knockdown
13 Ranger13
14 Ranger14
15 Ranger15 - Favored Enemy IV, Improved Knockdown
16 Ranger16 - STR +1 (30)
17 Ranger17
18 Ranger18 - Toughness
19 Ranger19
20 Ranger20 - STR +1 (31), Favored Enemy V
21 Ranger21 - Great Strength I (32)
22 Ranger22
23 Ranger23 - Bane of Enemies
24 Bard1 - STR +1 (33), Great Strength II (34)
25 Red Dragon Disciple1
26 Red Dragon Disciple2 - [+2 STR](36)
27 Red Dragon Disciple3 - Great Strength III (37)
28 Red Dragon Disciple4 - STR +1 (38), [+2 STR](40)
29 Red Dragon Disciple5
30 Red Dragon Disciple6 - Great Strength IV (41)
31 Red Dragon Disciple7
32 Red Dragon Disciple8 - STR +1 (42)
33 Red Dragon Disciple9 - Great Strength V (43)
34 Red Dragon Disciple10 - [+4 STR](47)
35 Ranger24
36 Ranger25 - STR +1 (48), Epic Weapon Focus, Great Strength VI (49)
37 Ranger26 - Epic Prowess
38 Ranger27
39 Ranger28 - Armor Skin
40 Bard2 - STR +1 (50)

eh... I'm lazy right now to calculate all the stuff, but you get a good amount of skills for Discipline, Tumble, Spellcraft and UMD.

AB: 54 +2 vs Favored Enemies
Damage, no buffs (say, Greatsword): 2d6 +30 +2d6+6 vs Favored Enemies (40-60) Critical 17-20/X2