Does anyone know a uberly high saves build besides Pali/BG/COT since BG you'd have to have a alignment change, I just want to stick to one alignment, preferably evil or neutral. Any Ideas?
Well if you want to stick to Neutral or Evil that is gonna make things difficult. Evil is Blackguard, but that means no CoT or Paladin. Neutral can be for CoT but that means no Paladin or Blackguard. And well, you didnt mention good and that is only thing for Paladin. So that kinda limits how high your saves can get. What do you consider high saves to be for this build?
How much is uber for you?
Paladin/CoT or Blackguard/CoT by itself already has awesome saves... Sorcerer or Bard comes to mind as third class...
You can also kind of boost a bit your saves with Monk levels pre-epic, since Monk gets all the saves as mayor (or however it is called, the three increase by the high schedule).
CoT sometimes is useless if you can get saves from items, since they don't stack, Blackguards and Paladins CHA to saves do stack, so you can take CoT out of the builds if you get high saves from items.
Other than that I'd say that one of the best high saves builds is a Druid 14 / Monk 2 / CoT 24 with Dragon Shape, the saves of that thing are really high since you get high DEX and CON shifted modifiers, and your WIS has to be minimum 30 (so DEX, CON and WIS boost saves considerably), though it's not precisely the best spread for power, the saves on that build are truly high. _________________
Quote: Posted 12/19/06 19:54 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ
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Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 07/08/07 02:10
Paladin(9), Blackguard(3), Champion of Torm(28), Human
Your AC and AB are poop, but the saves are pretty darn good.
Bromium, I think you need to read more carefully:
Quote: Does anyone know a uberly high saves build besides Pali/BG/COT
He also stated he prefers no alignment changes.
I think a Dragon build is one of the highest saves builds possible (especially the dragon with lots of CoT levels) below the Paladin / Blackguard / CoT combination, and kind of fits the demanded requisites, but there has been no reply from the OP. _________________
Quote: Posted 12/19/06 19:54 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ
Thax the Shadow Dragon sez: MONKS USE KAMAS. Just ask him.
Lawful Neutral Monk/Sorc/CoT can easily get all saves to about 40 un-buffed; and still be playable. With Divine Wrath you would also get an extra +9 (lvl 20 CoT) to your saves.
What is your definition of high saves? (Obviously 60s are; but as you said you don't want that build ) _________________ -4SakN "never kiss a girl whose brothers have knife scars." "never gamble without knowing a back way out." -Robert Jordan
Still no answer from the OP, but high saves are those that let you save every time the save roll is made (logic says that), most of the high DCs reach about 50 or so, so 50 is sure enough, you can have it even lower against spells if you have Spellcraft. I think I remember the "highest saves build" had about 90 or so... so unnecessary high saves, since the highest DC I've ever made was a Stunning Fist with 63 DC, the dragon CoT gets the saves in the 50s so that's high enough, but 40s is already good enough for most saves anyway. _________________
Quote: Posted 12/19/06 19:54 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ
Thax the Shadow Dragon sez: MONKS USE KAMAS. Just ask him.
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 07/10/07 16:12
That was my thought too The above Sorc/Monk/CoT I spoke of would have a 8 to Spells as well; so I would guess it would be pretty solid.
If the OP ever comes back that is _________________ -4SakN "never kiss a girl whose brothers have knife scars." "never gamble without knowing a back way out." -Robert Jordan
ah poop, I guess I should read twice post once...
High saves are one thing, but I'm a big fan of not having to make the save in the first place.
Several Shifter forms offer immunities to various things.
The infamous Rak with it's immunity to spells level 8 and under is pretty nice. Add to that some other magical protections and you won't be needing saveing throws.
Elementals, Constructs and Undead forms with their immunities.
Find a save you want to make, and there is a shifter form immune (or heavily resistant) to that effect.
Quote: Posted 07/10/07 19:27 (GMT) -- Bromium
ah poop, I guess I should read twice post once...
High saves are one thing, but I'm a big fan of not having to make the save in the first place.
Several Shifter forms offer immunities to various things.
The infamous Rak with it's immunity to spells level 8 and under is pretty nice. Add to that some other magical protections and you won't be needing saveing throws.
Elementals, Constructs and Undead forms with their immunities.
Find a save you want to make, and there is a shifter form immune (or heavily resistant) to that effect.
Ah, Bromium is back, I wondered what happened with the non-shifter build up there. You do know the dragon has a lot of immunities, so elementals, constructs and undead are completely left behind in comparison, rakshasha could be a good side option, but it won't save you against stunning fist or dev crit. _________________
Quote: Posted 12/19/06 19:54 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ
Thax the Shadow Dragon sez: MONKS USE KAMAS. Just ask him.
I know you didnt want Pally/BG/CoT but I still felt like this had to be posted: Click Here
But wouldnt a Monk/CoT with some decent Wis, Con and Dex work best? CoTs get Great Wis as bonus feat so you would get some extra there, and even added AC in the process being monk and all.
Dex and Con for ref and fort will even make it playable. I aint an expert on this, but that would be my suggestion for a high saves build.
Edited By Cerolill on 07/10/07 23:24
This One does okay in the save department, and it's even playable from level 1. _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
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