Hi, so it happens that on the server I play True Seeing has been modified - it only grants TS if you have 50+ spot, otherwise, you only get See Invisibility. It's SD time, isnt it? Whats your favourite SD build? What do you recommend?
Btw, the situation is not that simple. The server I play on focuses on PvP, getting to lvl 30 is relatively easy, after that, life becomes hell (can reach lvl 60 by legendary leveler). The max AC & AB bonuses are +5. SD only gets HiPS at lvl 10. I think this is the info needed.
In the next few lines I will share my ideas, hope you have many comments about them!
a. Cleric AB buffs (GMW [note: we can craft our own items, but can only add 3 weapon properties, so we like to make all 3 damage, not +5 EB], Divine Favor, Bless, Aid, Prayer, Battletide) 50% concealment by Improved Invisibility Can have True Seeing (SD class skill is Spot, spots ability modifier is Wisdom, so its possible to have 50)
b. Rogue Sneak attack Bonus Feats after lvl 10 (Epic Skill Focus: Hide and Move Silently) Pick Pocket, Tumble, Hide, Move Silently
Note: I was thinking about using a Large Shield with this build. It has only -2 to skill modifiers, but I can have +7 AC (+2 base +5 shield ac). Also, I dont think I want to use 2 weapons (need Ambidexterity, TWF, ITWF then, but I would get more Sneak Attacks) - what do you think?
2. Cleric/Monk/SD
a. Cleric Same as above
b. Monk Monk BAB progression Extra AC by Wisdom Extra feats KD and IKD (I want to take these with build 1 too, so if I IKD from HiPS all my attack will be sneak attacks) Hide, Move Silently, Tumble are class skills
3. Paladin/Rogue/SD
a. Rogue See above
b. Paladin AB buffs - GMW, Divine Favor, Bless, Aid, Prayer. Dont forget Holy Sword! (one question: does Holy Sword's Dispel really use character lvl, not class lvl?) Higher BAB, 4 attacks
Thank you for reading! _________________ "I will be the last...and you will go first!" Sarevok, Child of Bhaal
Edited By Praetor_Ghastkill on 07/24/07 23:21
Cleric gives you much more buffs than that, just to be aware of it, a Cleric buffs a lot better than a Paladin, though Holy Sword is pretty powerful, I hate the low duration it gets...
Between Monk and Rogue, well, SD is enough for Epic Dodge, so you don't need Rogue for it, but Rogue will give you sneak attack to use that HiPS effectively, while the Monk would be stronger against sneak-immune enemies, it probably doesn't adds as much power as a Rogue in PvP, and a Monk would get a lower AC since you wouldn't be able to wear armor and shield.
I'd take the Cleric / Rogue / Shadowdancer myself, though perhaps changing the spread to 17/13/10, I like to have the full spellbook. _________________
Quote: Posted 12/19/06 19:54 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ
Thax the Shadow Dragon sez: MONKS USE KAMAS. Just ask him.
How about no SD at all?
Shift Kobold has HIPS.
Here's my Black Adder build. 20d6 sneak damage. DC 45 Death Attack
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Can't be pickpocketed or disarmed. Final hide stats improve when shifted since dex and bonuses apply.
Cleric gives you much more buffs than that, just to be aware of it, a Cleric buffs a lot better than a Paladin...//snip//...Between Monk and Rogue, well, SD is enough for Epic Dodge, so you don't need Rogue for it, but Rogue will give you sneak attack to use that HiPS effectively...
A cleric/monk/sd can get epic dodge, lvl 9 spells, be a formidable sneaker and a heavy damage dealer, even without sneak attacks.
Quote: ... while the Monk would be stronger against sneak-immune enemies, it probably doesn't adds as much power as a Rogue in PvP, and a Monk would get a lower AC since you wouldn't be able to wear armor and shield.
With a high dex, you wear robes to get the highest AC. A high wis gives the cleric/monk good AC compensation for not using a shield. The kama monk attack table combined with the cleric buffs that give a huge AB and damage boost, makes the monk combo a very powerful pvp combo in low/mid magic environments. You can HIPS, deal heavy melee damage and cast cleric spells of all lvls. I'd take at least 25 cleric lvls to avoid being dispelled too often. E.g. Cleric26/Monk9/SD5, that also can get epic dodge. _________________ The curve is more powerful than the sword -- BG courtesan
Quote: I'd take the Cleric / Rogue / Shadowdancer myself, though perhaps changing the spread to 17/13/10, I like to have the full spellbook.
That would mean -1d6 sneak attacks and I would lose one bonus feat. The only spell that maybe usable is Undead's Eternal Foe for the +4 dodge AC, tho I hope with HiPS + KD + Sneak I will rarely get hit (I dont want to spam HiPS tho...thats so...noobish )
Quote: Shift Kobold has HIPS.
I did a quick check. Tried an own Druid/Shifter/Assasin build, focused on Epic Kobold Commando Shape. I really liked the skills (105 Hide buffed, spot enough to have TS on our server), and I made him a little tank (maxed hp 902, DMg Reduction 9/-, Acid 10/-, Cold 10/-). It is nice to have a better EB than anyone on the server (+6 Kobold Commando Sword), and it has a few abilities as the cleric (imp invis, darkness, ultravision). The greates backdraw is his ab: cant get it higher then 48 (BAB 25, Dex 13, Feats 4, EB 6). Even if we think about an outside area (+2 ab) and a normal size enemy (+1 ab), its 51. I dont if this is enough. Max AC on our server is +5, so its not easy to have 70+ AC. From hide, enemy loses at least Dodge AC (5 from item, 4 from haste), so lets say The Avarage Player has 61 because he is flat-footed. I try to KD him, thats -4 ab...so I need to roll 14 or more to hit him from hide!!! Too low...maybe if I create a wand of true strike, but after 9 secs im dead meat.
Quote: I'd take at least 25 cleric lvls to avoid being dispelled too often. E.g. Cleric26/Monk9/SD5, that also can get epic dodge.
As I said in my first post, SD gets HiPS on lvl 10 on our server. _________________ "I will be the last...and you will go first!" Sarevok, Child of Bhaal
Quote: I'd take the Cleric / Rogue / Shadowdancer myself, though perhaps changing the spread to 17/13/10, I like to have the full spellbook.
That would mean -1d6 sneak attacks and I would lose one bonus feat.
You would lose 1d6 sneaks yes; but you could easily make up for that damage with clerical spells. as for the bonus feat; that comes at rogue level 16; not 15 so you aren't missing anything there. The Cl 17/R13/SD10 would be quite a bit stronger really over the Cl15/R15/SD10. _________________ -4SakN "never kiss a girl whose brothers have knife scars." "never gamble without knowing a back way out." -Robert Jordan
Why not a Paladin 26/4 FTR/SD 10?
This, for undispel buffs (sans mords) full BAB table (being 5 more than a cleric, and 4 apr, +1 haste - yeah, I know, there's always DP but now that it (like all things that give multi-attacks) has been nerfed (and of short duration anyway), and at 15 cleric, SR isn't great, and totally dispellable ... also, you get your 10 SD (spot plus ED), and FTR for WS/EWS ... being a guaranteed +6 damage on a hit (or, if you prefer UMD, then could take rogue)
Either way, 'warrior' BAB/AB, plus div.fav., holy sword (or gmw), aid, bless, prayer, bull's, etc. and w. the full warrior's BAB/AB, you're good to go -- no worries re: dispel ... (and w. holy sword's potential to dispel everything on an enemy in one hit, that holy sword just be sweet
(but clerics are nice, too - come w. all that self-healing _________________ "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good [people] to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke, Philosopher and Politician (1729-1797)
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