I'm hoping someone can help me out with a (Prefferably Human) Blackguard(10+)/Cleric/? build. My main focus is on it being as much of a meele powerhouse as possible utilising cleric buffs, although i'd also like it to be able to cast harm and/or word of faith if it could be worked in there for extra nastiness. The whole theme of the build is a Blackguard to truly be reckoned with.
In the search engine i found the infernal crusader, by Xylophone, which is a Clr14/Barb4/BG22 and is very similar to what i'd like to play, but the level progression isn't ideal for the pw i'm at. Its a difficult pw with slow leveling and is very low magic, the best items you can expect to see are +1 or +2 if your damn lucky. So the real problem i stumbled over is milking the most out of the pre epic levels to suit this environment. With the world being so low magic, having a large array of personal magic and quickly is a huge advantage.
If anyones got any ideas or your good at squeezing the most out of each level you take (which is what i really need to do but am unfortunatly, not good enough to manage) i'd appreciate any help a lot.
Thanks for reading
I'd suggest a Bard/Bkg if you're not set on Clc. Have a look around _________________ " -- They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams an instant, then it's night once more."
- Pozzo in Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett
Well... for a low magical environment Cleric is a good choice, Greater Magical Weapon and Darkfire already own everything there.
Well, the playability here depends mostly on taking Cleric fast, I'd say up to level 15 to maximize Greater Magical Weapon at least. I usually take 20 Cleric to maximize Darkfire and get a decent duration for Divine Power.
I'd make a Monk 1 / Cleric 20 / Blackguard 19 with kamas, take Monk from the very start and start leveling Cleric, you'll find it very powerful on low levels since you have Flurry of Blows making 2 APR of buffed attacks right from the start (or 3 if you go dual-wielding), the good thing of Monk is you'll get the bonus to APR with just one level so you won't need to lower your Blackguard levels for a third class, Monk also gives you Cleave for free so you won't need to waste feats on Power Attack.
Another working build is to go Fighter for Epic Weapon Specialization, Fighter 4 / Cleric 20 / Blackguard 16 is what I'd make. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
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Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 03/09/08 18:37
I have been having a great time with a bard30/rdd5/blk5. With the right gear you can reach that 100 modified perform skill and are then able to do some horrifying things with combinations of curse song, divine might, divine shield and devcrit. Charisma based skills like taunt, bluff and persuasion also shine here.
Thanks for the feedback guys
That sounds like an interesting build Deltu, could you maybe post it up? Sheerly curious
I'd be tempted to go with Bard 26/RDD 10/Bkg 4, the level 30 song doesn't add much. _________________ " -- They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams an instant, then it's night once more."
- Pozzo in Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett
Bard 26/RDD 10/BG 4 is a very nice build, but it doesn't look very BG iconic to me... _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
If you're not opposed to a Gnome, how about A Pint of Evil (Bard 8/RDD 10/BG 22)? _________________ It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!!
Finn is prolly right. The diff between level 25 bardsong with 75 ranks and level 30 with 100 pans out to 10 more hitpoints, a point of ac and 5 bonus skillpoints. The other tradeoff between the builds gives heavy bard 2 more epic feats instead of fire immunity, a few draconic ac points and 4 more points of strength as well as some nice immunities. For me, I guess I just really can't stand the wings.
Some Bg builds:
Cleric 20 Bg 19 Rogue (or Monk) 1 - Div. Shield, Cleric buffs, set traps if rogue, better ac if monk.
Monk 9 Cleric 18 Bg 13 - Dual kama monk. Div shield, decent ac, especially dex based.
Cleric 20 Bg 10 Monk 10 - same as above.
Monk (or Rogue) 13 Cleric 5 Bg 22 - same as above unless rogue, then epic dodging corner sneaker with div shield, true seeing.
Monk 6 Cleric 15 Bg 19 - same as above.
(see a pattern there with the monk/cleric/bg ?)
Ranger 21 Bg 4 Cleric 15 - respectable AB, crap AC, even with div shield.
Monk 20 Bg 19 Sor 1 - now THIS is an iconic dual kama build. div shield, max apr, monk speed/immunities.
Cleric 26 Bg 4 Monk 10 - Pretty self explanatory/personal favorite with greatsword or halberd.
Cleric 11 Bg 28 Sor 1 - Smiter with true seeing.
Cleric 18 Bg 19 Rogue 3 - Dex based w/div shield. tight on ability scores.
Barbarian 17 Bg 13 Cleric 10 - Big damage basher with terrifying and thundering rage, div shield/might. Healing and War domain. Tight on feats. Could go 16 13 11 for true seeing. Crappy AC, either way you cut it, though.
Cleric 26 Bg 13 Monk 1 - Big str based basher... or zen archer support cleric! lol Could go Rogue or Bard 1 if making a basher.
Rogue 19 Bg 16 Cleric 5 - Div shield, epic dodge, crippling strike, corner sneaks, true seeing. Halfling with dagger or kukri.
Bard 20 Bg 4 Cleric 16 - Str based basher, good ab, good ac, good saves, a little tight on ability scores, very tight on feats.
Druid 25 Bg 13 Sdd 2 - Hipsing, taunting dragon with crappy ac lol. decent damage with div might, though.
Ranger 23 Bg 16 Sdd 1 - Respectable ab, mediocre ac unless dex based with div shield, decent damage with div might + BoE, hips. Very nice if you can fit div might in and use a keen kukri or handaxe. Have to lose an epic bonus feat to get uncanny, though.
Ok, that's enough Bg builds for one day lol.
Nope. Just grinded mine out for Zaku. Here ya go: Click Here
Nope. Just grinded mine out for Zaku. Here ya go: Click Here
Yes, I suppose the 26 4 10 Bard Bg Rdd is an 'iconic' build in the sense that everyone and their brother has made one, and it's probably the most overused build on PvP servers still to this day.
Thanks again to everyone that replied, just so you know, i was sheerly curious about Deltu's build and not intending to make it as an "iconic BG", anything with less than 10 levels of the icon class (1/4 of the build), is an icon only of mediocrity at best.
"The wind blew chill over the cemetary in the pale moonlight as hunched figures lay prone in a small bank of tall grass, shivering.
In hushed tones, one figure whispered to another, "Captain, is this really nessecary?" To which came the sharp yet quiet reply, "Shut it Richards! He'll be here any minute." Richards lowered his head, weighing up his options. As the wind continuted to bite at him, he decided to risk the insubordination "But its only one man Captain!" He said a bit too loudly, earning a swift clip on the back of the head with a mailed fist. "Quiet you fool!" Came Reynolds, the guardsman lying next to Richards, annoyed response. "This isn't any man, this is a master of the Pale, capable of summoning undead abominations the like of which a mans eyes should never have to lay on, or have you forgotten why we brought four priests from the templ..." He cut off abruptly as a dark clad figure emerged from the main necropolis, tilting his robed head in their direction almost immediatly, no doubt having heard or spotted them.
"Attack Men! The priests have our back!" Shouted the Captain, drawing forth his sword and rising into a charge almost immediatly. The palemaster was well ahead of him, however, and had already launched into a summoning, drawing upon his font of dark power to bring forth... A single, badly decomposed zombie clawed its way up from the ground, its left leg snapping clean off at the knee as it attempted to pull free of the earth. It fell flat on its face and moaned pitifully.
Incredulous laughter burst out from all in attendance, except the "Palemaster" who suddenly pulled forth a lute, strumming a quick tune, which earned an even louder roar of laugher. He then drew forth a longsword and shield, charging toward the laughing guardsmens position even as he enacted spells to increase his prowess. Only a single priest survived, because he had fled the slaughter.
Tales spread quickly through the local taverns of the town, not of a powerful undead wizard, capable of summoning the darkest of minions from the abyss, but of "Lutesword" the Dark Minstrel.
Oh and Hiwatt, do you have or know of some build notes for;
Quote: Posted 03/11/08 20:49 (GMT) -- Hiwatt Yes, I suppose the 26 4 10 Bard Bg Rdd is an 'iconic' build in the sense that everyone and their brother has made one, and it's probably the most overused build on PvP servers still to this day.
Thank you for your constructive reply! I checked the index and found exactly zero. Since I was asked for it I thought I might make an attempt at being a useful member of this guild. Call it a shortcoming of mine.
There's 3 such builds (lvl split wise) in pulse's search engine: Dwarf (Bard 26 / BG 4 / RDD 10) -- D OBrien123 Banshee (Bard 26 / BG 4 / RDD 10) -- lala_truthsayer (Bard 26 / BG 4 / RDD 10) -- NYCfarmkid
This said (for fairness sake), let's cut on the sarcasm and let's try to be excellent to each other. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Thanks Kail. Here is what I found: The Singer Of Despair (Bard 20 / Red Dragon Disciple 16 / Blackguard 4) -- Anglashell
Knight Of The Dark Dragon (Bard 8 / Red Dragon Disciple 10 / Blackguard 22) -- Xylophone
It only shows the three you have in your if I specify 26 minimum levels of bard. Am I supposed to be that specific? I'm not cracking wise. I really want to know.
It only shows the three you have in your if I specify 26 minimum levels of bard. Am I supposed to be that specific? I'm not cracking wise. I really want to know.
No, Delt, you don't have to be that specific, although you can choose to be so if there are already a few builds with that lvl split. Also, those other builds with your same lvl split are different from yours (one is even a dwarf) so your has all the rights to be posted (I wanted to make clear that my posting about the other builds has nothing to do with the legitimacy of yours).
BTW, I'm about to post a Bard/BG build too, one I have kept in my closet for a long time. Thanks for reminding me of its existance _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Quote: Posted 03/11/08 20:49 (GMT) -- Hiwatt Yes, I suppose the 26 4 10 Bard Bg Rdd is an 'iconic' build in the sense that everyone and their brother has made one, and it's probably the most overused build on PvP servers still to this day.
Thank you for your constructive reply! I checked the index and found exactly zero. Since I was asked for it I thought I might make an attempt at being a useful member of this guild. Call it a shortcoming of mine.
Well, just because you didn't find any in the index doesn't mean they aren't out there. Serious PvPers don't often post their best builds.
But, my comment wasn't meant to be insulting to you, just that almost 6 years of playing NWN exclusively on PvP servers has shown me that the 26 4 10 Bard Bg Rdd is really, really overused. I've built about 7 of them myself over the years, and almost never use any of the anymore, although my favorite version is a dex based halfling with a whip. Surprisingly effective.
Usually, when I see someone using that Bard Bg Rdd build, I just log a pally/hipser or a smiter and wreck it
Don't get me wrong, it's a solid build if done right, and can stand toe to toe with most anything out there, but just like anything that gets used too much (and there are plenty of builds that fit that description), it gets boring when that's all you see, or all you PvP against. After playing the game this long, I tend to prefer less conventional, or more imaginative builds, that's all.
If the build is new to you, and you like it, then by all means, build it, play it, and enjoy it. That's what it's all about, right?
Quote: Posted 03/11/08 22:04 (GMT) -- MS06-Zaku Oh and Hiwatt, do you have or know of some build notes for;
I think I do have them somewhere. If not, I can always re-install NWN and look them up lol. I have 2 versions of the 14 25 1, a str based with greatsword, and a dex based with dual kamas. I have 3 of the 26 4 10 - 1 str, 1 dex, and 1 wis. Let me know what kind of weapon you prefer to use, whether you want str, dex or wis based, any funky restrictions your server might have, and I'll post it for you in the next week or so.
Thanks again Kail. There was actually nothing I found backhanded in your reply. But what I noticed is that when you search for unspecified levels of bard/bg/rdd you get the 12 builds I listed, but none of the three you did. As soon as I revised the search for a minimum 26 levels of bard, thats when your results turned up. I just think, with all due respect to it's creator, that there may be a slight issue with the search engine.
For the other poster- Power and grace can be demonstrated more easily by giving freely what you have and know. Serious PVP takes place when all parties have the same resources to command. The master guides, not bullies.
Thanks again Kail. There was actually nothing I found backhanded in your reply. But what I noticed is that when you search for unspecified levels of bard/bg/rdd you get the 12 builds I listed, but none of the three you did. As soon as I revised the search for a minimum 26 levels of bard, thats when your results turned up. I just think, with all due respect to it's creator, that there may be a slight issue with the search engine.
I see, sorry for the misunderstanding. I'll report the issue to pulse cap so that he can fix it.
Quote: For the other poster- Power and grace can be demonstrated more easily by giving freely what you have and know. Serious PVP takes place when all parties have the same resources to command. The master guides, not bullies.
I too believe in total transparency, in fact anyone that asks me about any specific build of mine receives the full leveling guide and stats and skill allocation.
Edit: and I believe the same holds true for the other memebers of the ECB guild, evidently. What we do here, is sharing builds after all. _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
Edited By Kail Pendragon on 03/12/08 23:11
Quote: Posted 03/12/08 16:05 (GMT) -- Hiwatt
I think I do have them somewhere. If not, I can always re-install NWN and look them up lol. I have 2 versions of the 14 25 1, a str based with greatsword, and a dex based with dual kamas. I have 3 of the 26 4 10 - 1 str, 1 dex, and 1 wis. Let me know what kind of weapon you prefer to use, whether you want str, dex or wis based, any funky restrictions your server might have, and I'll post it for you in the next week or so.
Thats very generous of you
The servers got no restrictions bar some components for certain spells, but thats only relevant if you can't stand a 30 second walk to the local merchants.
Can't say i'm overly partial to any single weapon although i've always enjoyed builds that make use of two handed or exotic weapons (barring the dwarven waraxe).
Far as main stat base goes i'm open to anything that works so how about your personal favourite.
Knight Of The Dark Dragon (Bard 8 / Red Dragon Disciple 10 / Blackguard 22) -- Xylophone
It only shows the three you have in your if I specify 26 minimum levels of bard. Am I supposed to be that specific? I'm not cracking wise. I really want to know.
The three I highlighted are the same ones Kail linked. _________________ Logic is a bouquet of beautiful flowers ... that smell bad!
HAHAHAHAHAHA! //blind! Thanks Empyre65. The weird part is I looked and looked at it. Forest for the trees eh? I guess we can forget bothering pulse.
In a quick glance I didn't catch them either... too many little numbers _________________ They can't stop us Let them try For Heavy Metal We will die
I'd suggest a Bard/Bkg if you're not set on Clc. Have a look around 
I'd be tempted to go with Bard 26/RDD 10/Bkg 4, the level 30 song doesn't add much.
Finn is prolly right. The diff between level 25 bardsong with 75 ranks and level 30 with 100 pans out to 10 more hitpoints, a point of ac and 5 bonus skillpoints. The other tradeoff between the builds gives heavy bard 2 more epic feats instead of fire immunity, a few draconic ac points and 4 more points of strength as well as some nice immunities. For me, I guess I just really can't stand the wings.
Some Bg builds:
Thanks again to everyone that replied, just so you know, i was sheerly curious about Deltu's build and not intending to make it as an "iconic BG", anything with less than 10 levels of the icon class (1/4 of the build), is an icon only of mediocrity at best.