Hey guys, i'm looking for a dex build ranger that really cleans up. Mostly from the build I want a high AC thats pretty hard to hit.

Requirements:

No caster (IE Sorc/Wiz/Druid/Palemaster/Shifter/)
Preferably Good aligned

Sword user (Rapier?)

Possibly using a tower shield also with cloth armour however.

Ranger levels must be > 6

Preferably a stand and fight rather than sneak and stab




Setting:

+5 Equipment at best with NO Haste items at all. Weapons are the same with +5 being the limit and keen on an item is very very rare. Elemental damage doesn't exceed 2d6 I believe.


Also, me being so very bad at building I have trouble reading anything but the full layout of the build sorry guys.




Help with this is much much much appreciated as I know you all take time to help the best you can I'm not a fan of the DEX-based Ranger, as I don't particularly like the damage output. That being said, what about something along the lines of Ranger 26/SD 10/FTR 4? You could grab Epic Dodge with this build as well as having HiPS and Bane of Enemies. The FTR levels allow you to grab extra feats and/or WS/Epic WS.
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It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!!! I am doing a similar one right now actually; Ranger 21/SD 13/F 6. The world I play on is extremely low magic, so the SD Shadowlord is a nice added summon to have when needed; still gets bane of enemies; and gets epic weapon specialization in two weapons (Bow and melee)


Damage output is truly very low with the small strength this build has; but AB is respectable at 42 with either ranged or melee; and Hips, Epic Dodge, and major stealth make avoiding blows pretty easy.

With the low damage output, having the multiple summons available to distract enemies becomes quite useful...
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Quote: Posted 04/03/08 18:06 (GMT) -- --Cardz--

Preferably a stand and fight rather than sneak and stab

Finn, by reading this, I take it he doesnt want Rogue or Assassin levels. Which I dont understand why one would want a DEX based Ranger, high AC build with no sneak attack damage. My first thought was a Ranger 26/Rogue 13/SD 1 build, but I didnt mention it at the time from reading the above quote.
Quote: Posted 04/04/08 12:32 (GMT) -- galelabriel

Quote: Posted 04/03/08 18:06 (GMT) -- --Cardz--

Preferably a stand and fight rather than sneak and stab

Finn, by reading this, I take it he doesnt want Rogue or Assassin levels. Which I dont understand why one would want a DEX based Ranger, high AC build with no sneak attack damage. My first thought was a Ranger 26/Rogue 13/SD 1 build, but I didnt mention it at the time from reading the above quote.

Oh, my halfling isn't dependent on sneaking, it's just icing on the cake. You can choose not to sneak at all, he's still got ED, BoE, EWS -- not many DEX builds can boast similar non-sneak damage. And the sneak dice still gets applied when flanking or when you KD your opp: he's got good AB.
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Elf/HE/Human only. Sorry for my stupidity *points above* Alternate account. This one wasn't working last time :S
Quote: Posted 04/04/08 13:59 (GMT) -- FinneousPJ

Oh, my halfling isn't dependent on sneaking, it's just icing on the cake. You can choose not to sneak at all, he's still got ED, BoE, EWS -- not many DEX builds can boast similar non-sneak damage. And the sneak dice still gets applied when flanking or when you KD your opp: he's got good AB.

Ahh, I see. Good points.
Quote: Posted 04/05/08 22:50 (GMT) -- Vahn89

*smacks head* I forgot

Elf/HE/Human only. Sorry for my stupidity

I figure my build would work as a Human or Elf well enough, though with slightly worse stats and Elf gets XP penalty.
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- Pozzo in Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett Dex based Elf Ranger 26 Bard 4 Rdd 10? It's kind of a cookie-cutter level split, I know, but the Rdd Strength bonus should help make up for low damage. Natural Armor bonus is nice. UMD is handy, as is Taunt. With 26 Ranger levels, that's 3 Epic bonus feats, so you can take a few more Great Dexes, provided you don't need the extra favored enemies.

Don't take much if any Cha if you don't want any caster ability, or only take 10 starting and work it so your last Bard level is later than your last Rdd level so you at least get a couple of 1st and 2nd level spells per day.

Should have enough skill points (with at least 14 Int starting) to use epic traps too.

Xp penalty would be a bummer though
Quote: Posted 04/06/08 18:12 (GMT) -- Hiwatt

Dex based Elf Ranger 26 Bard 4 Rdd 10? It's kind of a cookie-cutter level split, I know, but the Rdd Strength bonus should help make up for low damage. Natural Armor bonus is nice. UMD is handy, as is Taunt. With 26 Ranger levels, that's 3 Epic bonus feats, so you can take a few more Great Dexes, provided you don't need the extra favored enemies.

26 RGR is only two epic bonus feats (RGR levels 23 and 26), and you can't use them as Great DEX feats, since Grt DEX isn't on the Ranger's bonus feat list.
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Quote: Posted 04/06/08 18:16 (GMT) -- Cinnabar Din

Quote: Posted 04/06/08 18:12 (GMT) -- Hiwatt

Dex based Elf Ranger 26 Bard 4 Rdd 10? It's kind of a cookie-cutter level split, I know, but the Rdd Strength bonus should help make up for low damage. Natural Armor bonus is nice. UMD is handy, as is Taunt. With 26 Ranger levels, that's 3 Epic bonus feats, so you can take a few more Great Dexes, provided you don't need the extra favored enemies.

26 RGR is only two epic bonus feats (RGR levels 23 and 26), and you can't use them as Great DEX feats, since Grt DEX isn't on the Ranger's bonus feat list.

Actually, that's 3 Bonus Feats. 23, 25, and 26. In Epic Levels, whenever a Ranger gets a new Favored Enemy (Level 1, and every 5th level, like 5, 10, 15, etc.), they can be used for Epic Bonus feats instead.

What I meant was, he could use them to free up room to use his other feats for the Great Dexes, not that he could take Great Dexes with the Ranger ones. So, with the 23, 25, and 26 Ranger level feats he could take Bane of Enemies, Epic Prowess, and Epic Weapon Focus.

Assuming he takes Armor Skin, and 2 other useful feats like ESF in Discipline or Taunt, or Epic Fortitude, or Blinding Speed (ugh) since his server apparently doesn't have Haste items (UGH!), he then has 4 feats left that he can reasonably use for Great Dex.

Assuming he takes any Bard and/or Rdd pre-epic, he could possibly use Ranger levels 15 and 20 in Epic Levels for Bonus Feats too, but that wouldn't be too smart, considering that BoE, EP, and EWF are really the only good ones he can get (which he can get just fine with 23, 25, and 26), and I'm sure he'll need those for Favored Enemies.

edit: As I re-read my original post, it looks like I could've been more clear about that. Sry.

Edited By Hiwatt on 04/06/08 20:22

Ah, I see what you mean about the DEX. Good point on that. But I assumed the level 25 feat would be used for Bane, so that's why I said only 2 bonus feats. Guess I should have been more clear.
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