He has to be human and lawful evil... I tried searching the builds till my eyes went blurry last night, but didn't really find what I need. I don't know If maybe a ranger/ftr/assasin would do, I really have never tried a build like this, and with AA being out I am struggling. I would like him to get dev crit with a bow, which on my server needs EWF and EWS. Thanks in advance for your help.
I'd say Fighter/Bard/RDD. With the need for Dev with a bow, and without AA you'll need all the Dex you can get. So a starting STR of 16 + 8 from RDD and you're almost where you need to be already. One advance in STR, then go DEX for the rest.
Starting
STR 16 DEX 14 CON 10 INT 14 WIS 8 CHA 14
Make it fighter14/Bard16/RDD10 and you'll be good to go, with Bard buffs and song, fighter to get all the wanted feats and RDD to get the much needed STR boost.
*EDIT* Darn, forgot the Lawful part for a second there. Fighter28/Sorc1/RDD11 then. That let's you change your starting stats too: STR 16 DEX 16 CON 12 INT 14 WIS 8 CHA 8 _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
Edited By Grimnir77 on 05/18/08 21:51
Take a Cleric with Zen Archery, you'll get a neat ranger and caster at the same time. You can even add some CHA and take Divine Might as extra damage, it should work pretty good. If you like the idea I can help you with the leveling guide. _________________
Quote: Posted 07/28/06 23:16:09 (GMT) -- Big Meph Using the 2 ESF's in a dex based sneak build, to me, just looks like you're teasing your diabetic opponent with extra sugar on your whipcream covered chocolate mudcake.
Nice, nice.. I am finding out if I can take out the lawful. One thing I do know, and forgot too mention... This characters "mom" has requested it not be a cleric.
Looks like it will be ok to go with bard after all... now to go try and see how to do the level progression. Thanks guys.
Gah.. either I am horrible at this or I dont think I want to be putting an archer together without having the ability to use AA. I am leaning towards the first choice really... after all I have to look here to get ideas.
Umm... maybe you could help me out a bit with the best progression/feat order?
*heads back to the tester to try again*
Man, every single time I make a good suggestion the class is restricted somehow.
Well, there's not much to say on how to build an archer, boost DEX for AB, RDD will make up for the STR on mighty bows.
Feats, take Point Blank Shot, even if you're not aiming for Arcane Archer it is needed to take Rapid Shot. Take Blind-fight, Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, Improved Critical, Extend Spell and whatever else you like, Lingering Song may be nice. In epics take Epic Weapon Specialization and lots of Great DEX, there's nothing really important to take there IMO, so I'd just boost DEX a lot. You should get a lot of extra feats from Fighter, so what I wrote there won't fill it all up, but all you need for an archer is Epic Weapon Specialization, Rapid Shot and lots of DEX, all the rest can be for Bard stuff. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 05/20/08 00:03
Quote: Posted 05/18/08 18:21 (GMT) -- donbrasco31
He has to be human and lawful evil...
What if he's a human from a human family, but then his unknown grandfather that was killed in some accident way back when, happened to have some elven blood in his veins?
Not a half elf, not even a quarter elf, but still...it could be enough to justify "half" elf at character creation and open up the route to AA. _________________ I generally avoid temptation, unless I can't resist it...
You should get a lot of extra feats from Fighter, so what I wrote there won't fill it all up, but all you need for an archer is Epic Weapon Specialization, Rapid Shot and lots of DEX, all the rest can be for Bard stuff.
Yeah, well
Quote: Posted 05/18/08 18:21 (GMT) -- donbrasco31 I would like him to get dev crit with a bow, which on my server needs EWF and EWS. Thanks in advance for your help.
So, my best bet is still Fighter/Bard/RDD. If you can force them to let you play Half Elf or Elf, then I'd go Fighter/Bard/AA. That way AA compensates the points you invest in STR. A Bard/RDD/AA might work to, but you're gonna be short on feats. _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
Oh, right, I forgot to address that: Devastating Critical is a bad idea dude, the non-dev-crit version is stronger. Well, some people like to have it difficult I guess. _________________ "My name is Thaxll'ssyllia, but you simians may refer to me merely as "Sir", if you prefer a less... syllable intensive workout."
Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
This was about the best I could manage with your original demands in mind. I'll take a peek later if AA can be put into the fray.
Fighter(14), Bard(16), Red Dragon Disciple(10), Human
Skillpoints: 272 Concentration 43(44) Discipline 43(50) Lore 8(27) Perform 27(30) Spellcraft 42(45) Tumble 40(50) UMD 42(45) 27 leftover and plenty of places to put them! Listen isn't a bad choice, really.
Facts: -Dev crit DC 37(43 maxed STR), bardsong lowers enemy saves by 2. -Mediocre saving throws. Bardsong gives a boost. -Okay AB, plenty of buffing capability+Cursesong. -Low melee AB. -Good bardsong, but very late Bard maturity. -High UMD. -Quite good AC, but no Uncanny Dodge. -The damage isn't half-bad for a non-AA archer, better with a mighty bow. -Bard buffs include nice stuff like Darkness, ImpInvis, Haste. -Weapon buffs do not affect bows(GMW, keen). -Knows two level 6 bardspells, but can't cast any without items. Either +6 CHA in total, or bonus spellslots.
Bard song: AB: +2, Dmg: +3, Fort/Ref:+2, Will:+3, hp:+20, AC:+5, skill:+4. Curse song does the opposite vs hostiles.
It isn't that bad a combo. At least not when you can start your Dev Crit attacks at max Range. _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
Edited By Grimnir77 on 05/22/08 09:33
Quote: Posted 05/20/08 13:10 (GMT) -- Mick Dagger
What if he's a human from a human family, but then his unknown grandfather that was killed in some accident way back when, happened to have some elven blood in his veins?
Not a half elf, not even a quarter elf, but still...it could be enough to justify "half" elf at character creation and open up the route to AA.
lol... yeah... no way around it.. this is a big family with a very detailed history. Not a chance. It seems to be an awful big difference in the ab and damage this way.. and as an AA. I'm going to try the latest suggestion to see if I like it better. But I also may just scrap the whole idea... AA seems to make a HUGE difference.
Well, nice build but 14 levels of Ftr and no blindfight... It's sad But I think that with all those requirements for DevCrit there is really no room for BF.
Just a thought: taking Ftr as the first class should give another feat, thus allowing BF later. And with Bard at level 2 you can skilldump tumble. But it's likely I'm missing something
Quote: Posted 05/26/08 12:00 (GMT) -- Valeren
Just a thought: taking Ftr as the first class should give another feat, thus allowing BF later.
Where would that come from? Moving the fighter level is not gonna give you a feat.....
Quote: Posted 05/26/08 12:00 (GMT) -- Valeren And with Bard at level 2 you can skilldump tumble. But it's likely I'm missing something
At lvl 1, you get x4 skillpoints. Since bards get more skillpoints than fighters you get more skillpoints without sacrificing anything.
And I do have the option open to grab BF instead of Lingering Song in the build. _________________ We are sons of Odin, and the fire that we burn inside is the legacy of warrior-kings who reign above in the sky I will lead the charge, my sword into the wind Sons of Odin fights to die and live again
