looking to make a build that can take and perform well in dragon shape, if possible be a spellcaster in human form. maybe druid/shifter/sorc? the pw i belong too does not allow shifter/monk because of people exploiting the class combo in pvp.
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If you want a strong caster with dragon shape the best route IMO is heavy Druid. You know, the Druid class is a very good caster and shifter by itself, although not as versatile as a real shifter, the elemental shapes are very decent and maybe you won't get IGMS and Epic Warding but Storm of Vengeance, Creeping Doom and Fire Storm are excellent spells.

You state you can't take Shifter with Monk, which is pretty bad. In case you can take Druid with Monk then go for it, it's an awesome combination, if not, then the best choice might be Ranger. A Druid 19 / Ranger 21 can get Dragon Shape, Bane of Enemies, BAB to make 4 APR and decent spells for buffing and casting, with regular DCs. In any case, if you pretend to fight shifted and you can't take Monk you need a class that can raise your BAB.
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Edwin Odesseiron - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn my fault for being vague, maybe something like druid/ranger/blackguard? i like the blackguards bulls cause it stacks with others, dark blessing, and his attack is on par with the other mele classes. is it possible to do druid/ranger/blackguard?
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Where we belong, there's no one to hurt. It's someplace we can't be felt. Where we belong it's darker than space, a feeling that we all push down until we can't be found Hmmm, well, if you're taking a caster Druid and Ranger, then you won't really get enough levels to add Blackguard, you'll end up losing either Bane of Enemies or a considerable amount of spells and shifting power, so it's no good.

If you like Blackguard with Druid, good choices for a third class can be Rogue/Assassin, Fighter/Champion of Torm, and if you can make the alignment shift, Paladin.

The Rogue or Assassin give more sneak attack than Blackguard, Uncanny Dodge and a good skillset.

Fighter is really only for feats, it's not so impressive, EWS won't work while shifted. Champion of Torm is almost the same, one less feat but a bonus to your saves.

Taking Paladin (which is usually pretty tough) allows you to take Divine Might / Divine Shield plus some good buffs. Cleric can get the Divine feats as well, with no CHA buffs but with more AB buffs.

You can leave it at Druid / Blackguard. I suggest at lest 20 Druid levels to get the Elder Elemental Shapes, 20 levels of Blackguard give a decent sneak attack and it's a high BAB class so it sorts out your APR already so it's not a bad choice. Now that I remember, the Blackguard can get Divine Might and Shield too but he gets no CHA buffs like a Paladin or AB buffs like a Cleric.

A nice thing about a Druid/Blackguard is how easy it becomes to cap your STR with buffs since the Blackguard's Bull's Strength stacks with the Druid's Bull's Strength (Technically a Druid alone can cap STR with Empowered Bull's Strength + Blood Frenzy + Aura of Vitality, but the duration of those other two isn't long enough to enjoy, having Blackguard is a lot nicer).
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Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 10/04/08 03:11

is it possible to take assasin? not sure if druids have to be true neutral or they can be evil neutral. i think the death attack would stack nicely with the sneak attack for added damage.
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Where we belong, there's no one to hurt. It's someplace we can't be felt. Where we belong it's darker than space, a feeling that we all push down until we can't be found Druids can be Neutral Evil. yea, i see that now. nwn wiki was vague as to what they meant by neutral only. i know the req for dragon shape is Wis 30, 21st level, Greater Wildshape 4 or Wild Shape 6x/day. trying to work in the earliest possible level to obtain it goin on something like druid26/bg4/assasin10
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Where we belong, there's no one to hurt. It's someplace we can't be felt. Where we belong it's darker than space, a feeling that we all push down until we can't be found Druid/CoT/(Monk) is the way to get DS asap (28th lvl):

Nature's Wyrm (Druid 30 / COT 4 / Monk 6) by yours truly.
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We will die Indeed, Champion of Torm will get you to Dragon Shape faster than any other class.

He said he can't take monk... or well take a look at my assassin dragon anyway, but it was made back when 14 Druid levels were enough to take Dragon Shape, so it needs that adjustment to use with the latest version Thaxll'ssyllia V2 (Monk 1 / Druid 14 / Assassin 25)
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Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 10/07/08 01:05

He said no shifter/monk, my Druid/CoT/Monk is no shifter/monk at all.
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Quote: Posted 10/07/08 01:04 (GMT) -- Thaxll'ssyllia

Indeed, Champion of Torm will get you to Dragon Shape faster than any other class.

He said he can't take monk... or well take a look at my assassin dragon anyway, but it was made back when 14 Druid levels were enough to take Dragon Shape, so it needs that adjustment to use with the latest version Thaxll'ssyllia V2 (Monk 1 / Druid 14 / Assassin 25)

Alignment change is another drawback. Monk is lawful, assassin is evil, druid needs neutral. *SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT*

k, the ultimate best class for druid dragon is..... Go prc. Seriously. I caused alot of ruckus on the pw i used to play on with this little guy Click Here I know it is not helpful what so ever to your cause, but i had to do this shameless plug!

It was such a work of art! A Dragon with 38 druid caster levels AND dev crit IN DRAGON SHAPE! *sigh* I often ponder, why doesnt everyone play PRC rules? Oh, i know... BALANCE! How on earth do you balance a world with this kind of thing walking around!

If you do look, i am refering to the Half orc version in the OT. Hospitaler has this little bonus of granting 1 druid/cleric caster level per hospi level. PLUS bonus feats similar to COT.

SOrry for ambushin with non-sense. *bad avado*

-no sig in punishment

Edited By avado on 10/10/08 05:24

Dev crit in dragon shape... I got pissed off when I learned that dev crit is not functional in dragon shape, but to think the PRC fixed that! I would like to try that if I didn't hate the PRC, but it is evil and shall not enter my PC.
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Edited By Thaxll'ssyllia on 10/10/08 23:41